->    I use the 525 Lyman for deer hunting. It works great out of my
 ->    11/87 with the rifled choke tube. Out of the 14 deer our group
 ->    took this year, 5 were killed with the lyman slug using the 45
 ->    gr of Blue Dot. All were shot between 40 & 60 yards and none
 ->    needed more than one. That flat point has seems to have a lot
 ->    of "knock down" to it.  That load has so much recoil that I
 ->    wont shoot it out of any of my pump guns.
 DA> heh heh heh. That's a kicker, ain't it?   I backed it down to 40
 DA> grains of Blue Dot.  Are you using it with the WAA12R red wad and the
 DA> Win AA hull?   For that combination, I backed it down to 40 grains of
 DA> Blue dot.
 DA> Also a little lighter one was where I used a plastic Federal Hunting
 DA> hull with paper basewad ("Hi Power" or "Dove" or "Game load")
 DA> with 44 grains and the WAA12R wad.
 DA> I seemed to get more accuracy with loads using the WAA12F114 wad, than
 DA> with the WAA12R wad.   What's your most accurate load with the 525
 DA> Lyman slug?
      I tried the White wads with the AA cases that I use for trap.
      The accuracy kind of sucked. Then I went to the WAA12F114s and
      45 grains of Blue Dot and they dropped right in there. I can keep
      3 shots in the bottom of a 3lb coffee can at 100 yds from a bench
      rest on the days that I don't have flinchitis. I also tried a load
      using the same powder charge I use for trap. 19 grains of Red Dot.
      I use the WAA12F114 wad with this. I'm going to try it at the next
      plate shoot. It's not as fast as the Blue Dot load but it dosen't
      have much more recoil than my trap loads, and it's not hard to
      kill a plate. I ordered that 1oz Lee mould from Midway. I'm going
      to try to come up with a good target/self defense load for it.
      I don't figure I need "that" much power for a self defense load,
      and the accuracy and quick recovery time would be more to my
      advantage with a more moderate load. I'm definately keeping that
      hi power job for deer hunting, for that, it's the best I've found.
 DA> You shoulda seen me testing the first loads.  I laid cardboard down on
 DA> the firing line, laid shotgun down on cardboard, tied a string to
 DA> trigger, laid carboard over the shotgun, laid a 2x4 over the top
 DA> cardboard, stood off to side with one foot on the 2x4", and pulled
 DA> string.   I figured if it was going to blow up, I'd rather injure foot
 DA> than blow off head.   I shoot them in a bolt action 12 ga, and yikes,
 DA> is that a shoulder killer.
     We could have used you on our EOD team back in the 60s. You've got
     that adventurous spirit! If you see the flash AND hear the noise,
     you know your not dead.
     I think I'm too old to try that load in a 12 ga bolt gun. The old
     joints don't snap back like they used to. I'll bet you would have
     to duct tape your hearing protectors to your head to keep them from
     getting knocked off :)
                          
                             Take Care
                             Dave Semonin
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