[ 21 Jan 03 14:18, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Steven Horn ]

 MV> As I said a DOS box in Windows has all the limitations of DOS. To use
 MV> more that 640K one needs tricks like expanded or extended memory. You
 MV> can only run 16 bit porogrammes and you can only use the
 MV> extended/expanded memory for data.
 MV> OS/2 in text mode on the other hand has the full memory available as a
 MV> flat 32 bit address space.

A DOS program running on Windows has the same limitations as a DOS program
running on OS/2.  A "DOS box" on Windows however will be
perfectly happy running 32bit Win32 console applications (ie. text mode)
with no such memory limits.  OTOH, while NT can run without a GUI, that is
intended for maintenance and embedded purposes not general use, so you're
right - those with a GUI-phobia are out of luck with Windows.

 MV> You wouldn't need such outlandish resources in the first place if your
 MV> OS wasn't such a resource hog.

Why don't we all go back to DOS then?  Or CP/M?  Or maybe pen and paper
like our grandfathers did?  How about we all just become Amish and be done
with it?

I think you are having issues with the concept of "progress."  
Yes a P-III with half a gig of RAM is a lot compared to what you dealt with
in the past, but what you used in the past was a lot compared to what was
available before that.  So what?  A P4 with a gig of RAM is the present day
equivalent of a mid 80's 386.  You may have a point if modern hardware cost
more than the old hardware did in it's day, but it actually costs LESS.

 MV> OS/2 runs fine on a 40 MHz 386 with 8 Mb of ram.

Dog slow I might add, and if you're talking about Warp 4, you have to give
up TCP/IP or WPS since both will not run on 8MB.  Not so with Win95 - GUI
and networking support in as little as 4MB.

Who's GUI was sucking up all the resources again?

Oh sorry, WPS is Object Oriented (/me ticks the buzzword-compliance
checkbox).  Pardon me while I cream my jeans...

 MV> Have you ever compared MS Word with the good old WP5? I say as far as
 MV> text processing goes, nothing has ever beaten WP5. Everything that
 MV> came later only needed more memory and faster machines....

There used to be a difference between word processing and desktop
publishing.. it appears they are now one and the same, and therefore
wordprocessors now have all the bloat of an AOL-ified DTP as well.


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