From: "Mark" 

Yes, I think you're right Rich, both sides do do wrong things from time to
time. Which side do you suppose does "wronger" things?

Which side should prevail regardless of those wrong things that happen,
even if our side did worse wrongs (which you know is impossible)?

How long should we wait to win? Hezzbullah managed to amass some 10,000+
rockets provided by Iran through Syria over the past 6 years when the UN
was supposed to be clearing them out and are now firing them into Israel as
fast as they can -- when is it okay to take out Damascus and Teheran and
why would you be opposed to wiping the bastards out now, before they have
nukes?

What will it take for you guys to wake up? Will the loss of a city in the
US be sufficient? Or does it depend on how large a city and how many died?

"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> Sorry Mark - Israel isn't our 51st State. You do know that's it's not an
> either or scenario? Both sides are capable of - and do take part in - some
> really despicable actions.
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
news:44c6edd9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Yea, Remember the "Maine" too... > wrong, we're always conspiratorial, and we should always defer to the
>> lame-brained BS that eminates from the UN, and we should get out our
>> prayer rugs toot sweet>
>>
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:44c6e8fa$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> well lets see - unarmed observers in a well marked post ( for years )
>>> were targeted and blown up. Sure has signs of deliberate for me. Just
>>> like a US navy vessel in international waters that was machine gunned
>>> for hours - the Israelis expressed 'regret' at that also.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>> news:44c6e636$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Nope, I'm saying if the UN was worth anything at all,
they'd have done
>>>> what they said they'd do lo so many years ago. They didn't, they
>>>> *caused* this war, and if they suffer collateral damage
because of it,
>>>> it's their own fecklessness that brought it on. >>> second that their position was deliberately targeted, but
you seem to
>>>> take them at their feckless word that it was -- why? Why
believe them?,
>>>> what have they done for the world lately, or ever?>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:44c6e31e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> So I guess it's ok with you to purposely kill 
observers  from China,
>>>>> Finland, Austria and Canada just as long as they were
from the UN?
>>>>>
>>>>> Got to watch out for those 'lame' Red Cross vans now?
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060724/israel_fight
ing_060725/20060725?hub=CTVNewsAt11
>>>>>
>>>>> But, Sunil Ram, a defence and security analyst, told
CTV Newsnet that
>>>>> the Israelis had shelled the base at least 14 times
before bombing it
>>>>> with what was clearly a guided bomb.
>>>>>
>>>>> UN posts like this are very well marked. The Israelis
knew it was
>>>>> there; it's been there for years.
>>>>> "But then when the Indians tried to send a rescue
mission in there,
>>>>> they then shelled the troops who were trying to get to
the post. So
>>>>> how much more deliberate do you want it to be?"
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, vans marked with Red Crosses had come under fire.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:44c6de44$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>I can't think of any reason to believe anything the UN says,
>>>>>>especially Kofi. What are UN "observers"
still doing there anyway?
>>>>>>Weren't those same lame "observers" that
have been twiddling their
>>>>>>thumbs since 1978 ("interim" force
indeed) supposed to be disarming
>>>>>>Hizzbullah starting 6 years ago rather than
"observing"? >>>>>they'd done what they promised?, would we be where
we are, would those
>>>>>>4 "observers" be dead?>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44c6c3cc{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> The UN should have learned from the lessons of
the USS Liberty. The
>>>>>>> Israelis don't like observers and will
purposely target them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1084162006
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AN ISRAELI air raid in south Lebanon killed
four UN military
>>>>>>> observers yesterday, in an attack that Kofi
Annan, the United
>>>>>>> Nations secretary-general, said was
"apparently deliberate".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The four observers were part of the UN
peacekeeping mission, UN and
>>>>>>> Lebanese officials said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking after yesterday's attack on the UN
site, Milos Strugar, a
>>>>>>> spokesman for the UNIFIL peacekeeping force,
said: "One aerial bomb
>>>>>>> directly impacted the building and shelter in
the base of the United
>>>>>>> Nations Observer Group in Lebanon in the area
of Khiyam."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Strugar said attacks had continued in the
area as rescuers
>>>>>>> attempted to reach the wounded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There were 14 other incidents of firing
close to this position in
>>>>>>> the afternoon from the Israeli side, and the
firing continued during
>>>>>>> the rescue operation," he added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a statement issued at UN headquarters in
New York, Mr Annan said:
>>>>>>> "I am shocked and deeply distressed by
the apparently deliberate
>>>>>>> targeting by Israeli defence forces of a UN
observer post in
>>>>>>> southern Lebanon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "This co-ordinated artillery and aerial
attack on a long-established
>>>>>>> and clearly marked UN post at Khiyam occurred
despite personal
>>>>>>> assurances given to me by prime minister Ehud
Olmert that UN
>>>>>>> positions would be spared Israeli fire,"
Mr Annan added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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