From: "Rich Gauszka" 

Mark - It's not about liking the world as it is. It's the knowledge that
everything can't be changed to our benefit. The belief of the United States
as some sort of benevolent god parsing out goodies  to the rest of the
world is delusional.


"Mark"  wrote in message
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> It is you that refuses to acknowledge history Rich. We've spent 60 years
> propping up dictators that we thought were going to do our bidding and the
> welfare of the citizens of their countries be damned. Bush comes along and
> refutes that wrong-headed foreign policy, does something about it and you
> cry foul, you pine for that despicable status quo, and why?
>
> As far as I can tell, it's simply because you must like the world the way
> it was and think it was sustainable in that model, that or you just hate
> Bush and would support our endeavor toward freedom for all if only Bush
> weren't the President.  things to stay the way they were is neither reasonable, nor responsible,
> nor sustainable, but that's the Luddite viewpoint I guess>
>
> I'm sorry if I came across in an irritated manner, it's not directed at
> you personally, but I just think it's time we, all of us in the west, got
> it together and made it happen instead of constantly bitching among
> ourselves, the divided front we've been presenting emboldens our enemies
> and makes the goal that more difficult to achieve.
>
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:44b9cc07{at}w3.nls.net...
>>
>> George Santayana:.  "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to
>> repeat it."
>>
>> of course you and the Bushies  probably prefer Henry Ford's view
>>
>> "History is more or less bunk. It's tradition. We don't want tradition.
>> We want to live in the present and the only history that is worth a
>> tinker's damn is the history we make today."
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:44b9bee6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Sheesh, Rich, you want to dredge up this'n'that and live in the past,
>>> whilst applying 100% hindsight, feel free. >> decided to make a right turn at 9PM in 1974 so as to cause (must be my
>>> fault, right?...) a Porsche 914 to broadside me>
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:44b9bd74$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Oh - Bush has done such a fine job of alleviating the
grief and misery
>>>> in Iraq?  Meethinks you have to be careful of what you wish for
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/278.html
>>>>
>>>> Proclamation 5034-Afghanistan Day, 1983
>>>> By the President of the United States of America, 21 March 1983
>>>>
>>>> The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous
>>>> Afghan freedom fighters [The Taliban] persevere in
standing up against
>>>> the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation. The Afghan
>>>> people are struggling to reclaim their freedom, which was taken from
>>>> them when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in December of 1979.
>>>>
>>>> In this three-year period the Soviet Union has been unable
to subjugate
>>>> Afghanistan. The Soviet forces are pitted against an extraordinary
>>>> people who, in their determination to preserve the
character of their
>>>> ancient land, have organized an effective and still spreading
>>>> country-wide resistance. The resistance of the Afghan
freedom fighters
>>>> is an example to all the world of the invincibility of the
ideals we in
>>>> this country hold most dear, the ideals of freedom and independence.
>>>>
>>>> We must also recognize that the sacrifices required to maintain this
>>>> resistance are very high. Millions have gone into exile as
refugees. We
>>>> will probably never know the numbers of people killed and maimed,
>>>> poisoned and gased, of the homes that have been destroyed,
and of the
>>>> lives that have been shattered and stricken with grief.
>>>>
>>>> It is, therefore, incumbent upon us as Americans to reflect on the
>>>> events in Afghanistan, to think about the agony which these brave
>>>> people bear, and to maintain our condemnation of the
continuing Soviet
>>>> occupation. Our observance again this year of Afghanistan
Day on March
>>>> 21, the Afghan New Year, will recall for all the world America's
>>>> unflagging sympathy for a determined people, its support for their
>>>> refugees and commitment to achieving a political settlement for
>>>> Afghanistan which will free that country from tyranny's yoke.
>>>>
>>>> The Congress, by Senate Joint Resolution 65, has
designated March 21,
>>>> 1983 as Afghanistan Day and has requested the President to issue a
>>>> proclamation in observance of that day.
>>>>
>>>> Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of
>>>> America, do hereby designate March 21, 1983 as Afghanistan Day.
>>>>
>>>> In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this
twenty-first day
>>>> of March, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-three,
>>>> and of the Independence of the United States of America
the two hundred
>>>> and seventh.
>>>>
>>>> Ronald Reagan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:44b9b548$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>I know Israel isn't blameless. Never said they were.
The fact remains
>>>>>though, that Syria and Iran cannot stand, it's only a
matter of time.
>>>>>Do you want it to be another 3 decades of misery for
the world at large
>>>>>and their citizens in particular, or another 3 years?
>>>>coming to the world or their citizens if their regimes
fester for the
>>>>>long-term>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:44b9b28c{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> Israel isn't blameless in this mess. They've been
killing quite a few
>>>>>> innocents also.  It's like they used the excuse of
a kidnapped
>>>>>> soldier to go after a long list of enemies that they've been
>>>>>> compiling for the last five years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bush better be careful when sending in any naval
intelligence ships
>>>>>> as the Israelis will probably massacre that crew
as they did the crew
>>>>>> of the USS Liberty in 1967
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ussliberty.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44b9ab33$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>I dunno Geo., it's Hizballah and Hamas that
have been lobbing rockets
>>>>>>>into Israel, that's considerably more
significant than "saber
>>>>>>>rattling" by Bush. >>>>>>a minor point in view of real stuff going down>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Geo"  wrote
in message news:44b9a9e5{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>> "John Beckett"
 wrote in
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>> news:hj6jb218nj6gki7lv2lvk9i0gm8440um6h{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Get ready for real pain. Maybe oil
prices will lower for a few
>>>>>>>>> months, but
>>>>>>>>> there's nowhere for them to go but UP
in the medium/long term.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the current situation if manufactured. If
Bush would shut the hell
>>>>>>>> up about
>>>>>>>> Iraq, Iran, and NC oil prices would fall
back into the 50's easy.
>>>>>>>> but every
>>>>>>>> time the price starts to fall the
administration starts rattling
>>>>>>>> sabers and
>>>>>>>> the price goes right back up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Geo.
>>>>>>>>
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