From: "Mark" 

It is you that refuses to acknowledge history Rich. We've spent 60 years
propping up dictators that we thought were going to do our bidding and the
welfare of the citizens of their countries be damned. Bush comes along and
refutes that wrong-headed foreign policy, does something about it and you
cry foul, you pine for that despicable status quo, and why?

As far as I can tell, it's simply because you must like the world the way
it was and think it was sustainable in that model, that or you just hate
Bush and would support our endeavor toward freedom for all if only Bush
weren't the President. 

I'm sorry if I came across in an irritated manner, it's not directed at you
personally, but I just think it's time we, all of us in the west, got it
together and made it happen instead of constantly bitching among ourselves,
the divided front we've been presenting emboldens our enemies and makes the
goal that more difficult to achieve.


"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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>
> George Santayana:.  "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to
> repeat it."
>
> of course you and the Bushies  probably prefer Henry Ford's view
>
> "History is more or less bunk. It's tradition. We don't want tradition. We
> want to live in the present and the only history that is worth a tinker's
> damn is the history we make today."
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>> Sheesh, Rich, you want to dredge up this'n'that and live in the past,
>> whilst applying 100% hindsight, feel free. > decided to make a right turn at 9PM in 1974 so as to cause (must be my
>> fault, right?...) a Porsche 914 to broadside me>
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:44b9bd74$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Oh - Bush has done such a fine job of alleviating the grief and misery
>>> in Iraq?  Meethinks you have to be careful of what you wish for
>>>
>>> http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/278.html
>>>
>>> Proclamation 5034-Afghanistan Day, 1983
>>> By the President of the United States of America, 21 March 1983
>>>
>>> The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous
>>> Afghan freedom fighters [The Taliban] persevere in standing up against
>>> the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation. The Afghan
>>> people are struggling to reclaim their freedom, which was taken from
>>> them when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in December of 1979.
>>>
>>> In this three-year period the Soviet Union has been unable to subjugate
>>> Afghanistan. The Soviet forces are pitted against an extraordinary
>>> people who, in their determination to preserve the character of their
>>> ancient land, have organized an effective and still spreading
>>> country-wide resistance. The resistance of the Afghan freedom fighters
>>> is an example to all the world of the invincibility of the ideals we in
>>> this country hold most dear, the ideals of freedom and independence.
>>>
>>> We must also recognize that the sacrifices required to maintain this
>>> resistance are very high. Millions have gone into exile as refugees. We
>>> will probably never know the numbers of people killed and maimed,
>>> poisoned and gased, of the homes that have been destroyed, and of the
>>> lives that have been shattered and stricken with grief.
>>>
>>> It is, therefore, incumbent upon us as Americans to reflect on the
>>> events in Afghanistan, to think about the agony which these brave people
>>> bear, and to maintain our condemnation of the continuing Soviet
>>> occupation. Our observance again this year of Afghanistan Day on March
>>> 21, the Afghan New Year, will recall for all the world America's
>>> unflagging sympathy for a determined people, its support for their
>>> refugees and commitment to achieving a political settlement for
>>> Afghanistan which will free that country from tyranny's yoke.
>>>
>>> The Congress, by Senate Joint Resolution 65, has designated March 21,
>>> 1983 as Afghanistan Day and has requested the President to issue a
>>> proclamation in observance of that day.
>>>
>>> Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of
>>> America, do hereby designate March 21, 1983 as Afghanistan Day.
>>>
>>> In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-first day of
>>> March, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-three, and of
>>> the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and
>>> seventh.
>>>
>>> Ronald Reagan
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>> news:44b9b548$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>I know Israel isn't blameless. Never said they were. The fact remains
>>>>though, that Syria and Iran cannot stand, it's only a
matter of time. Do
>>>>you want it to be another 3 decades of misery for the world
at large and
>>>>their citizens in particular, or another 3 years? >>>to the world or their citizens if their regimes fester for the
>>>>long-term>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:44b9b28c{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> Israel isn't blameless in this mess. They've been
killing quite a few
>>>>> innocents also.  It's like they used the excuse of a
kidnapped soldier
>>>>> to go after a long list of enemies that they've been
compiling for the
>>>>> last five years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bush better be careful when sending in any naval
intelligence ships as
>>>>> the Israelis will probably massacre that crew as they
did the crew of
>>>>> the USS Liberty in 1967
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ussliberty.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:44b9ab33$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>I dunno Geo., it's Hizballah and Hamas that have
been lobbing rockets
>>>>>>into Israel, that's considerably more significant
than "saber
>>>>>>rattling" by Bush. >>>>>minor point in view of real stuff going down>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Geo"  wrote in
message news:44b9a9e5{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> "John Beckett"
 wrote in
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> news:hj6jb218nj6gki7lv2lvk9i0gm8440um6h{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Get ready for real pain. Maybe oil prices
will lower for a few
>>>>>>>> months, but
>>>>>>>> there's nowhere for them to go but UP in
the medium/long term.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the current situation if manufactured. If Bush
would shut the hell
>>>>>>> up about
>>>>>>> Iraq, Iran, and NC oil prices would fall back
into the 50's easy.
>>>>>>> but every
>>>>>>> time the price starts to fall the
administration starts rattling
>>>>>>> sabers and
>>>>>>> the price goes right back up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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