MM> ok bob, as a r"recently retired LEO who also was a licensed FFL daler 
and 
 MM> gunsmith I know what the GLOCK is and the design and concept. That 
 MM> changes none of the facts of the casea hoot. As the invvestigation 
 MM> results becp,e public here in Nashville I will advise. My dept casrries 
 MM> the 19 and was going to the .40 but recently changed direcetion. Wonder 
 MM> why?
I don't argue either your credentials or your experience - both exceed mine. 
I 
doubt your impartiality based on the subject line - Glockgod believers - 
which 
shows me that you believe that anyone who things that there might be 
something 
good about a Glock is an idiot - something I would choose to dispute.  I have 
heard that a fact is anything that a jury can be induced to believe - I tend 
to doubt when confronted with an irrational emotional argument - particularly 
when it flies in the fact of something that I believe I understand.
 MM> Perhaps my frustration wioth you derives from the gasct that I worked a 
 MM> case withg him and also briefly socialized with him a dept Christmas 
 MM> parties in 90,  and 91. In 20 years of LE career I have been through a 
 MM> whole lot, enough to not be a doubting thomas when facts asre posted in 
a 
 MM> safety matter.
Perhaps - I don't have any social entanglements to cloud my thinking, and in 
the years I've been in various industries I've seen lots of stuff that was 
throught to be idiotproof conspire to produce a better class of idiot. If you 
had cited a departmental memo, an official finding - ANYTHING except 
anecdotal 
evidence I might be inclined to doubt my experience and understanding of 
things mechanical.  Your reaction to me and to others leads me to believe 
that 
emotion is in charge in your argument - a quality not the be admired in 
someone with a gun, LEO or not.
 MM> You are free to make your own decisions based on the facts I posted.
 MM> I learned long ago what SNAFU  was and realized how very true the 
wording 
 MM> is in law enforcement. 
I learned about SNAFU many years ago when up a 16 foort ladder working on a 
440 3 phase power panel after carefully shutting off the mains, assuring that 
they were shut off, taping them shut off, and posting a sign that said that 
they were whut off for a reason, that to touch would endanger lives, and 
please to contact me before touching anything.  The jolt when some idiot 
turned the power back on threw me 18 feet across the room.  We never found 
him. That should have been impossible, but I presumed that people COULD read 
and that they WOULD read. Dumb assumption on my part.
There will be an official finding on this, I am certain, replete with 
diagrams 
and engineering changes, unless it is found to be solely human error.  The 
folks in this department are watching for it, although most are as skeptical 
as I am - PARTICULARLY when all accusations of 'it went off when I dropped it 
(and we've had a few around here, too) turned out to be something like "I was 
walking with it in my hand with my finger on the trigger and I fell" or "I 
was 
practicing quickdraw" or "I thought I had all the rounds out when I worked 
the 
action and removed the magazine - but maybe I did it backwards."
I will concede the possibility of a malfunction that I don't yet understand 
because almo9st anything is capable of malfunctioning.  I won't concede an 
inherent danger in the design - it is still my firm belief that it is 
mechanically the safest handgun going, if that isn't a total oxymoron.
But when confronted with a "Re: Glockgod believers" as a subject, coupled 
with 
sarcastic wording and assaults on my understanding of mechanical principles, 
I 
have to wonder what ax the respondent is grinding.
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