On Mar 17 2003  Bob Short wrote to Phil Simpson:


 BS> I see a differnt set of values in the current structure.  There's a
 BS> bigger problem in acheiving our goals than power mongering... lack
 BS> of communication.  Even Ward has stated that few within his zone
 BS> have responded.  Language barriers and unresponsive *C don't help
 BS> matters. 

That along with the resistance to change. They aren't willingly going to
set a precedent that could be the start of undermining their authority.


 BS> There's little in our proposal to threaten the *C's power.  If they
 BS> see such, it's likely due to constant statements like yours. 
 BS>   That's not a dis, mind you... just a reality.  You use
 BS> vinegar and I use sugar. Who do you think will draw more ants?  ;-)

It would be the start of threatening some of their power Bob. My statements
certainly aren't going alter the C* one way or the other. I certainly
believe they don't /want/ to see the staus quo changed and put more power
in the hands of the sysops. Here's some reality for you to ponder. all that
sugar you spread around, how many ants came a running.  :)

PS> Some things will never change, even if they should.  :(

 BS> We've said this before to:  If you (collectively) would stop
 BS> gnashing your teeth and began working WITH, instead of AGAINST us,
 BS> we might  actually reach common goals.

Spread around some more of that sugar Bob, look how productive it's been so
far. I was going to simply say we agree to disagree, but then after you
decided to take the high road and blame all /your/ problems on those of us
which can read the writing on the wall, I thought better of it. If you want
to blame me and others in the collective, be my guest. I hope it makes you
feel better to pass the buck, all I ever said was that you didn't have a
hope in hell of getting any action on it. Sorry to say I told you so Bob,
but your attempt to bolster your efforts, by demeaning what my beliefs are
regarding this matter say a lot to your character. You could have simply
stated the truth, you did the best you could and left it at that. But nope,
it's probably all our faults for thinking you were spinning your wheels and
not going against our beliefs to get behind you, thus causing the
"no-effect" which has been witnesses by your efforts. Sheez ...
amazing. I will agree that we disagree, how 'bout you? 

Have a nice day!
                  Phil

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