-=> ROY J. TELLASON wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 RJT> Wayne Chirnside wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 -=> ROY J. TELLASON wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 RJT> Only using 31% of a 20M partition?  Cool...   What are you using to
 RJT> open jpegs?

 WC>  Vimage

 RJT> I'm not familiar with that one.

 WC> Not the least bit surprised. Steven Darnold compiled himself quite
 WC> the compressed image that's highly non-standard to get it small
 WC> enough that you can put it on two disks and boot Linux off an
 WC> A drive on most any computer into ramdrive. A whole lot of
 WC> functions have been incorporated into something he called
 WC> "busybox."

 RJT> I've run across that before,  somewhere.  Maybe TomsRtBt?

 That's more a recovery utility than an internet tool
 if I'm not mistaken.

 RJT> that does a pretty good job of displaying images,  even to
 RJT> resizing things when you change the size of a window,  but I'd be
 RJT> interested in some command-line software for that job.  Did you
 RJT> have to set up a config file to make it deal with your hardware?
 RJT> Where'd you get it?

 Vimage JPG viewer
 
 WC>  It was incorporated into the supplied image file IIRC and is
 WC> likely unique to Basic Linux 1.7 now 1.8

 RJT> Hm,  another reason for me to get a hold of a copy of that.

Sure you can spare 20 Meg's ;-)
Or 6 meg for the spartan hard drive version that merely gives you 
Linux CLI, Vimage, LINKS browser and e-mail before
you add in the newsgroup reader, telnet, OLR, ect.

 WC> Looked at the old case to see about swapping everything from this
 WC> low profile to the other that has the beefy PS and room for second
 WC> drive and happily found the riser card is a plugin unit so I'll be
 WC> able to swap them and everything will line up in the old case but
 WC> that won't happen till the other Pentium machine is up. I know
 WC> without looking this machine's riser is plugin as the mother-
 WC> board is PCI - ISA optional depending on which riser you've got.

 RJT> Oh really?  I didn't know they made them that way,  and wouldn't have
 RJT> thought that the interface could be switched that easily,  I thought
 RJT> that a bridge chip was needed between the two things.  Unless the point
 RJT> where the riser plugs is has a *lot* of pins available.

 You've got me but that's how this motherboard is setup, either plain 
 4 ISA or a combination of ISA and PCI like on my NEC machine.
 However the NEC IIRC lacks a riser card at all and is on the
 motherboard. Who know's I may fry some cards
 when I try this so I'll use the old soundcard as a test,
 but the risers appear a match.

 WC> I've got the ISA only or I'd be setting up the PCI soft modem with
 WC> Linux driver by now!  _If_ I'm *really* careful with money I may in
 WC> three months setup with a hardware 56K USR as they are on sale for
 WC> 80 bucks hereabouts but lack voice capability :-(

 RJT> I have this one modem here that's supposed to have that capability,
 RJT> but I've not done anything with it yet.  I also haven't found any data
 RJT> on that sort of thing yet,  either.

Well I've not even tried the voice internet connection
that comes with Netscape either.
Have to see if Charles Angelich has a voice modem as he's running
NS 4.08 there as well.
There's legacy voice freeware on Simtel's mirrors as well.

 WC> Actually the 14400 internal is still in the machine and hooked up
 WC> to the line but only for the Win 3.1 SuperVoice answering machine
 WC> support.

 RJT> For that sort of thing I don't suppose the speed of the modem matters
 RJT> much.
 
 Nope, decent sound quality, nothing music grade mind you but
 fine for voice.

 RJT> That user agreement is by far the single biggest factor in why I
 RJT> wouldn't even consider using them for a provider.

 WC> Well I wouldn't use them either except no credit card.

 RJT> something like "Then how would we be sure we'd get paid?"

I've no problem with a postal money order or waiting for my check 
to clear. Hell I can even get Bank of America to write them
a check via the computer!
I'll be damned if I'll reveal my debit card online though
as I've heard that's a major security risk without
the protections offered in a credit card.

 RJT> At that time we had the business,  and I had no trouble at all in
 RJT> dealing with companies all over the damn country.  But those online
 RJT> services were just too picky to want to talk to the likes of us.

 And they're losing megabucks for it too.

 RJT> And their alternative choice -- give them access to your checking
 RJT> account!  No way,  especially not with a business account.
 
 Yup, no way.
 
 WC> Well since they've automated a lot of stuff that real people used
 WC> to do and and since your average burger flipper is smarter than the
 WC> vast majority of their tech support...

 RJT> No big surprise there,  eh?

Oh man talkinf to some of them is like talking to the character of
Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hillbillies.
Usually I cut off the first line of customer _service_ 
anticipating a dozen or so questions and answering before they
start flapping their lips to get to the meat of the issue.
Than Verizon keeps calling and trying to sell me DSL
and I explain my computer can't do DSL with their supplied
software or equipment and on and on they insist it can,
Sure I could snag an ISA card and get it to work
but it's nothing they support.
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