From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

Robert Comer wrote:
>> They didn't do it by themselves
>
> That's all I'm saying.
>
>> but they would have if they'd had to.
>
> As would have the west most likely, but in either scenario it would have
> taken a LOT longer.
>
>> The Red Army destroyed the Wehrmacht. Look at the loss rates (people &
>> kit) for the Wehrmacht wrt to the different fronts.
>
> Sorry, no, that doesn't fit history.
>
Huh?

it is a matter of historical record.

"The Eastern Front was by far the largest and bloodiest theatre of
World War II, and generally accepted as the most costly conflict in human
history at anywhere from 25-30 million dead as a result. It involved more
land combat than all other World War II theatres combined. "


Just some stats:

"KIA/MIA/WIA, by Campaigns
German KIA, Polish Campaign:    16,343
German MIA, Polish Campaign:    320
German WIA, Polish Campaign:    27,280

German KIA, Norwegian Campaign:         4,975
German MIA, Norwegian Campaign:         691
German WIA, Norwegian Campaign:         1,600

German KIA, French Campaign:    46,000+
German MIA, French Campaign:    1,000+
German WIA, French Campaign:    111,640

German KIA, the West to 5.31.44:        20,000+
German MIA, the West to 5.31.44:        1,700+
German WIA, the West to 5.31.44:        ??

German KIA, Balkan Campaign:    1,206
German MIA, Balkan Campaign:    3,915
German WIA, Balkan Campaign:    534

German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44:    24,267
German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44:    12,060
German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44:    ??

German KIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44:      1,419,728
German MIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44:      997.056
German WIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44:      3,498,060

German KIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 5.43:        12,808
German MIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 5.43:        90,052
German WIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 4.43         ??

German KIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44:   47,873
German MIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44:   97,154
German WIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44:   163,600

German KIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44:        66,266
German MIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44:        338,933
German WIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44:        399,860

German KIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44:         64,055
German MIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44:         1,315
German WIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44:         ??"

"An objective comparison of the scale, intensity and duration of
fighting on the WW2 fronts shows that the Eastern (Soviet-German) front was
of crucial significance from 1941 to 1945. Some 190 to 270 of the best
divisions of the Wehrmacht and the armed forces of satellite countries
fought simultaneously on the Eastern front. In Northern Africa, the Allies
stood up against 9-20 divisions in 1941 -1943, 7-26 divisions in Italy in
1943-1945, and 56-75 divisions in France in 1944.

The maximum length of the Eastern front was 6,200 km, while the frontline
in Africa was 350 km, about 300 km in Italy, and up to 1,000 km in Western
Europe. Active hostilities on the Eastern front lasted 1,320 of the 1,418
days of the Great Patriotic War (93% of the total), while fighting on the
Western fronts lasted only 1,094 of the 2,069 days of the Second World War
of 1939-1945(53%).

The Red Army routed 607 divisions of the enemy, while the Allied forces
defeated 176. The Wehrmacht's losses in the East amounted to 73.5% of
overall casualties and up to 75% of lost weapons and hardware. The
irretrievable losses of the Soviet Union were 8.6 million, while the losses
of the German army were 7 million and of its satellites, 0.95 million. Our
Allies' aggregate losses were 1,471,000; of this figure, the US lost
405,000, Britain 375,000, France 600,000, Canada 37,000, Australia 35,000,
New Zealand 12,000, and the Union of South Africa 7,000."


Adam

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