From: "Robert Comer" 

> it is a matter of historical record.

No, it's not, Germany wasn't fighting just one enemy, resources were
stretched, if Germany had been able to focus all it's resources on the
eastern front, Russia would have lost it's 2 major cities before the first
winter, and it would have been downhill from there.  After claim the major
cities, Germany would have had time to just sit out the winter...

> "The Eastern Front was by far the largest and bloodiest theatre of World
> War II, and generally accepted as the most costly conflict in human
> history at anywhere from 25-30 million dead as a result. It involved
> more land combat than all other World War II theatres combined. "

**ONLY** because the western front was there too.  It's just plain silly to
not look at it as a whole,

--
Bob Comer


"Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
field.near the bridge"> wrote in message
news:44cfdd13$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Robert Comer wrote:
>>> They didn't do it by themselves
>>
>> That's all I'm saying.
>>
>>> but they would have if they'd had to.
>>
>> As would have the west most likely, but in either scenario it would have
>> taken a LOT longer.
>>
>>> The Red Army destroyed the Wehrmacht. Look at the loss rates
(people &
>>> kit) for the Wehrmacht wrt to the different fronts.
>>
>> Sorry, no, that doesn't fit history.
>>
> Huh?
>
> it is a matter of historical record.
>
> "The Eastern Front was by far the largest and bloodiest theatre of World
> War II, and generally accepted as the most costly conflict in human
> history at anywhere from 25-30 million dead as a result. It involved
> more land combat than all other World War II theatres combined. "
>
>
> Just some stats:
>
> "KIA/MIA/WIA, by Campaigns
> German KIA, Polish Campaign: 16,343
> German MIA, Polish Campaign: 320
> German WIA, Polish Campaign: 27,280
>
> German KIA, Norwegian Campaign: 4,975
> German MIA, Norwegian Campaign: 691
> German WIA, Norwegian Campaign: 1,600
>
> German KIA, French Campaign: 46,000+
> German MIA, French Campaign: 1,000+
> German WIA, French Campaign: 111,640
>
> German KIA, the West to 5.31.44: 20,000+
> German MIA, the West to 5.31.44: 1,700+
> German WIA, the West to 5.31.44:  ??
>
> German KIA, Balkan Campaign: 1,206
> German MIA, Balkan Campaign: 3,915
> German WIA, Balkan Campaign: 534
>
> German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44: 24,267
> German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44: 12,060
> German KIA, Balkans 1941 - 11.30.44: ??
>
> German KIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44: 1,419,728
> German MIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44: 997.056
> German WIA, Eastern Front 1941 - 11.30.44: 3,498,060
>
> German KIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 5.43: 12,808
> German MIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 5.43: 90,052
> German WIA, Afrika Campaign 1940 - 4.43 ??
>
> German KIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44: 47,873
> German MIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44: 97,154
> German WIA, Italian Campaign 1943 - 11.30.44: 163,600
>
> German KIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44: 66,266
> German MIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44: 338,933
> German WIA, the West 6.06.44 - 11.30.44: 399,860
>
> German KIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44: 64,055
> German MIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44: 1,315
> German WIA, Home Front 1939 - 11.30.44: ??"
>
> "An objective comparison of the scale, intensity and duration of
> fighting on the WW2 fronts shows that the Eastern (Soviet-German) front
> was of crucial significance from 1941 to 1945. Some 190 to 270 of the
> best divisions of the Wehrmacht and the armed forces of satellite
> countries fought simultaneously on the Eastern front. In Northern
> Africa, the Allies stood up against 9-20 divisions in 1941 -1943, 7-26
> divisions in Italy in 1943-1945, and 56-75 divisions in France in 1944.
>
> The maximum length of the Eastern front was 6,200 km, while the
> frontline in Africa was 350 km, about 300 km in Italy, and up to 1,000
> km in Western Europe. Active hostilities on the Eastern front lasted
> 1,320 of the 1,418 days of the Great Patriotic War (93% of the total),
> while fighting on the Western fronts lasted only 1,094 of the 2,069 days
> of the Second World War of 1939-1945(53%).
>
> The Red Army routed 607 divisions of the enemy, while the Allied forces
> defeated 176. The Wehrmacht's losses in the East amounted to 73.5% of
> overall casualties and up to 75% of lost weapons and hardware. The
> irretrievable losses of the Soviet Union were 8.6 million, while the
> losses of the German army were 7 million and of its satellites, 0.95
> million. Our Allies' aggregate losses were 1,471,000; of this figure,
> the US lost 405,000, Britain 375,000, France 600,000, Canada 37,000,
> Australia 35,000, New Zealand 12,000, and the Union of South Africa
> 7,000."
>
>
> Adam

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