From: "Mark" 

P.S. Hey, so far I don't think we're doing the "invective thing"
that started this thread  

"Mark"  wrote in message
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> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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>> Millions of us give our money and labor - it's called taxes.
>
> Please. I'm talking way above and beyond that. I recall some low-life
> dweeb at the UN accusing the US of being "stingy" (I think
it was right
> after the tsunami, when we had already spent 100s of millions just on
> logistics of moving our ships into place) but you go ahead and look up how
> much more money flows directly into charity causes from us (little)
> citizens than does from US (big).
>
>> It's not Democrats ( I'm not one )  that have embraced bureaucracy
>> lately. Bush appears to love big government and it's scope in affecting
>> and intruding on our lives
>
> I can't argue against the fact that Bush hasn't been a good steward of
> smaller government, but as bad as he is in that regard, I shudder to think
> where we'd be by now if the alternative(s) had won.
>
>
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>> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>>I don't think that citizens should be forced into any service (military
>>>or not), I think good citizens take care of the service aspect to their
>>>country in a variety of ways (volunteering here and there for this and
>>>that) with no need for coercion. I think the predication of service as
>>>administered by a government is reflective of a socialist point-of-view,
>>>i.e. if it's not "official and government
induced/controlled/coerced" it
>>>doesn't really count, seems to be the mind-set.
>>>
>>> Well, hell, millions of us give of our time, our money, our labor, and
>>> our thoughts both domestically and abroad with no such coercion, with no
>>> prodding needed, and the efforts are much more efficient than running
>>> them through a government mill. Why is it that unless it's measured
>>> through the Federal government it doesn't count? Why do liberals so
>>> embrace the bureaucracy?
>>>
>>> That the usual suspects here in the US, and without intent to lump you
>>> in with them unfairly, are so upset with Bush (not to mention the
>>> various foreign powers) strikes me as good news and reminiscent of how
>>> bent out of shape so many were about Reagan. In other words, Bush ain't
>>> going for the usual BS and status quo -- if he were, people would be
>>> more at ease and thus content in their complacency.
>>>
>>> This is not a time for complacency, he understands that.
>> and how ironic that "many Ambassadors" are unhappy
with John Bolton --
>>> well hell yea, they don't want to upset the status quo either, how sad
>>> too, that the Dems are more concerned with looking good with those same
>>> Ambassadors than they are with promoting our interests at the UN>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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>>>>I was just stating my views on the draft. I'm sure some just want it
>>>>reinstated for political purposes. I have more of a
Heinlein ( starship
>>>>troopers ) viewpoint on service in that citizenship and
it's subsequent
>>>>rights should be predicated on service ( not necessarily military )
>>>>
>>>> Sorry Mark - Many who grasp the severity of the current conflict are
>>>> also quite worried that this administration has no clue on
what to do.
>>>> Iraq is a mess. Rumsfeld is still debating the civil war
question with
>>>> himself. The current Israel/Lebanon conflict appears to be
swelling the
>>>> ranks of Hezbollah and Bush is under some delusion that 'democracy'
>>>> there will make everything right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:44cad988$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> Eh, I disagree. My take on the efforts of the Dems to
get a draft
>>>>> reinstated is fairly dark. I'm quite sure their
underlying motives are
>>>>> to undermine any military action any where at any time by
>>>>> reinvigorating and motivating those of a sheep-like
protester mind-set
>>>>> who don't have any regard for reality on the ground.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel that they, the Dems, don't grasp the severity
of the current
>>>>> conflict(s) and that if they are successful in their
efforts to stop
>>>>> us from taking action as necessary, that those efforts would be
>>>>> extremely dangerous to the very existence of our
nation. >>>> feel that, I'm absolutely sure of it>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:44cad197$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>I always thought ending the draft was a bad idea. 
I feel that having
>>>>>>a no deferment draft lottery would really make
people think about any
>>>>>>proposed conflict. Right now it just appears too
easy to go to war
>>>>>>when most don't have to worry about any consequence
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44cacba2$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> That's true too, as one aspect anyway. Which
is why so many Dems are
>>>>>>> pining for reinstating the draft, although
their "ooh we're gonna
>>>>>>> have a draft" scare ploy prior to the '04
elections went over like a
>>>>>>> lead balloon. >>>>>> they are most certainly looking with interest
at Israel calling up
>>>>>>> 30K reservists and trying to figure how to
scare people here with
>>>>>>> more success this time -- they'll fail if they do>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:44caca0b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mark"
 wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "John Cuccia"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:52:40
-0400, "Mark" 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRC, the anti-war
protestors of the Vietnam era didn't show up
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> single march and then
spend the next few years bragging about
>>>>>>>>>>>> how many
>>>>>>>>>>>> of marched and whining
that they weren't listened to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>number of
>>>>>>>>>>>them
>>>>>>>>>>>stayed on the mall permanently
after the first protest>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People protested for years, all
over America.  Some of them even
>>>>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>>>>> things up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which goes to show you, despite the
postulations 'round these
>>>>>>>>> parts, that
>>>>>>>>> people are not really, in any
substantial numbers, against our
>>>>>>>>> taking out
>>>>>>>>> the islamo-fascists in the current
conflicts. It's probably a
>>>>>>>>> function of
>>>>>>>>> both this being a required war on
multiple fronts, and people
>>>>>>>>> knowing it is
>>>>>>>>> because of free flowing information,
as opposed to those in the
>>>>>>>>> 60s eating
>>>>>>>>> up whatever old Uncle Walter (and his
two cohorts on the other two
>>>>>>>>> networks)
>>>>>>>>> fed them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There was a draft back then. People are
now semi-divorced from the
>>>>>>>> conflict
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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