From: "Mark" 

I don't think that citizens should be forced into any service (military or
not), I think good citizens take care of the service aspect to their
country in a variety of ways (volunteering here and there for this and
that) with no need for coercion. I think the predication of service as
administered by a government is reflective of a socialist point-of-view,
i.e. if it's not "official and government
induced/controlled/coerced" it doesn't really count, seems to be the
mind-set.

Well, hell, millions of us give of our time, our money, our labor, and our
thoughts both domestically and abroad with no such coercion, with no
prodding needed, and the efforts are much more efficient than running them
through a government mill. Why is it that unless it's measured through the
Federal government it doesn't count? Why do liberals so embrace the
bureaucracy?

That the usual suspects here in the US, and without intent to lump you in
with them unfairly, are so upset with Bush (not to mention the various
foreign powers) strikes me as good news and reminiscent of how bent out of
shape so many were about Reagan. In other words, Bush ain't going for the
usual BS and status quo -- if he were, people would be more at ease and
thus content in their complacency.

This is not a time for complacency, he understands that. 


"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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>I was just stating my views on the draft. I'm sure some just want it
>reinstated for political purposes. I have more of a Heinlein ( starship
>troopers ) viewpoint on service in that citizenship and it's subsequent
>rights should be predicated on service ( not necessarily military )
>
> Sorry Mark - Many who grasp the severity of the current conflict are also
> quite worried that this administration has no clue on what to do. Iraq is
> a mess. Rumsfeld is still debating the civil war question with himself.
> The current Israel/Lebanon conflict appears to be swelling the ranks of
> Hezbollah and Bush is under some delusion that 'democracy' there will make
> everything right.
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
news:44cad988$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Eh, I disagree. My take on the efforts of the Dems to get a draft
>> reinstated is fairly dark. I'm quite sure their underlying motives are to
>> undermine any military action any where at any time by reinvigorating and
>> motivating those of a sheep-like protester mind-set who don't have any
>> regard for reality on the ground.
>>
>> I feel that they, the Dems, don't grasp the severity of the current
>> conflict(s) and that if they are successful in their efforts to stop us
>> from taking action as necessary, that those efforts would be extremely
>> dangerous to the very existence of our nation. > absolutely sure of it>
>>
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:44cad197$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>I always thought ending the draft was a bad idea.  I feel that having a
>>>no deferment draft lottery would really make people think about any
>>>proposed conflict. Right now it just appears too easy to go to war when
>>>most don't have to worry about any consequence
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>> news:44cacba2$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> That's true too, as one aspect anyway. Which is why so many Dems are
>>>> pining for reinstating the draft, although their "ooh
we're gonna have
>>>> a draft" scare ploy prior to the '04 elections went
over like a lead
>>>> balloon. >>> are most certainly looking with interest at Israel calling up 30K
>>>> reservists and trying to figure how to scare people here with more
>>>> success this time -- they'll fail if they do>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:44caca0b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:44cac981$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Cuccia"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:keflc21vmstll8fhuub7nh5a0ohpq9bjlp{at}4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:52:40 -0400,
"Mark" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IIRC, the anti-war protestors of the
Vietnam era didn't show up
>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>> single march and then spend the next
few years bragging about how
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> of marched and whining that they
weren't listened to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>them
>>>>>>>>stayed on the mall permanently after the
first protest>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People protested for years, all over America. 
Some of them even
>>>>>>> blew
>>>>>>> things up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which goes to show you, despite the postulations
'round these parts,
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> people are not really, in any substantial numbers,
against our taking
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> the islamo-fascists in the current conflicts. It's
probably a
>>>>>> function of
>>>>>> both this being a required war on multiple fronts,
and people knowing
>>>>>> it is
>>>>>> because of free flowing information, as opposed to
those in the 60s
>>>>>> eating
>>>>>> up whatever old Uncle Walter (and his two cohorts
on the other two
>>>>>> networks)
>>>>>> fed them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a draft back then. People are now
semi-divorced from the
>>>>> conflict
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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