Hola Steven  :)

Tuesday December 10 2002 21:50, Steven Horn decˇa a Felipe T. Dorado:

 MV>> We may one day dearly regret having put all our eggs in
 MV>> thy basket of the InterNet.

 FTD>> Curious that while debating this same point a couple of years ago
 FTD>> in one of our regional echoes I used that very same sentence  :)

 SH> Felipe, I would think that both you and Michiel should already feel regret
 SH> about having put all your eggs in the POTS basket.:-)

Who says we have?  You say it. And it is not true, you misunderstand us both I think.

 FTD>> Exactly, more than. It is a question of degrees and not a
 FTD>> binary one.

 SH> As an end user, please explain to me and the rest here why you have more
 SH> control over your POTS network then Internet users have over their global
 SH> network.

I think you know more than I do about these things, Steven.
I am quite sure there are not phone people caring about the little Fido
packets, like fax, going through the phoneline. But I have heard various
ways in which mail on IP can be monitored and stored. It is apparently
quite easy and straightforward and can be done done without even being on
the nodelist.

I probably stuck my foot in it with a couple of things but, gosh, I'm not the expert.

 FTD>> Yes, I believe that too.  Adding to the network is good,
 FTD>> substituting, on the other hand, is simply risky business.

 SH> If adding to the network is good, why do those of us who do that get
 SH> static from you and Michiel?

Sorry, I don't get the full meaning of "static" there.

 FTD>> Agreed. And who says that Fido cannot grow except through
 FTD>> Inet?
 FTD>> It may be so for people who it's been years and even more than a
 FTD>> decade that have been using POTS. They may consider it obsolete.
 FTD>> If it were I could not use it, you could not read me and Fido
 FTD>> would not have such a potential huge base of possible users.

 SH> Unless or until Fido can develop a decent graphics user interface and a
 SH> means of connection other than POTS, it will have no
"potential huge base
 SH> of possible users".  Even the number of Internet users who use modems to
 SH> connect to the Internet are shrinking and modems are becoming are beast
 SH> indeed.

Narrow minded and shortsighted view that is. Life is much richer, varied
and profound than what is sold to us.  It is a good thing one has the
option of buying or not.
Bicycles will still function when there is no gas. Testarosas for everyone
can't be the norm.

 FTD>> Why is it that people turn to radio when they really want to
 FTD>> know
 FTD>> the news about something?  Do they not have TV?  Yes, they do, but
 FTD>> they trust radio and distrust TV for info on serious things.

 SH> I would call that an over-generalization.  My two sources for information
 SH> are now Television and the World Wide Web while radio serves as
 SH> background. .

That explains a couple of things ...

Sorry, Steve, but you gave the pun already done  };DD

 FTD>> Inet, while being the future, has still to earn that respect.

 SH> That may be true in Spain but I would not bet my last nickel on that
 SH> elsewhere.

;))    Ok. _In my block of flats and nowhere else_ Inet has to earn that
respect   };)

And you are that well informed?   };)
Wake up and smell the coffee, Steve  };)   Inet still stinks with all kinds
of filth.  One has to know how to filter it and it is a lot of work to do
it.
Fido OTOH needs very little filtering.

Felipe  :)

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