John Edser wrote:
>>>>>JE:-
>>>>>Typically, you confuse a random
>>>>>pattern with a random process. While
>>>>>the refutation and verification of either
>>>>>a random or non random pattern is possible,
>>>>>it is not possible to verify that only a random
>>>>>process caused any verified random pattern, ever.
>>>>
> 
>>>>BOH:-
>>>>How can you refute a random pattern? 
>>>
> 
>>>JE:-
>>>By proving the _pattern_ was non random.
>>>This is done by measuring the 
>>>probability that this pattern was non
>>>random (i.e. something and not just
>>>zero was actually being observed). If 
>>>this probability is high enough then the
>>>pattern is now validly redefined as non random
>>>i.e. as _significant_ and not just left 
>>>to be _assumed_ to be just a random, 
>>>not significant, pattern.
>>
> 
>>BOH:-
>>And how do you measure the probability of for the pattern, without 
>>fitting a model, i.e. without making any assumptions about the process?
> 
> 
>>JE:-
>>In the case where the _perception_ of the pattern
>>is not just an inherited biological response
>>then "the probability of for the pattern",
>>(my interpretation: the probability that the pattern 
>>is a significant _non_ random pattern) is
>>an _independent_ question that must be _firstly_
>>solved before the question re: any supposed
>>process caused that pattern. 
> 
> 
> BOH:-
> But how do you solve this problem, without making any assumptions about 
> the process?
> 
> JE:-
> The only assumption you need to make about
> such a process is that a process caused the 
> pattern, i.e. the pattern did not just cause
> itself.
> 
But how do you solve the problem using only this assumption?

Bob

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