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from: JIM HOLSONBACK
date: 2003-02-02 15:58:00
subject: Refilling Laser Toner

Hello, ALL

Here's an interesting and informative writeup from one of the Ebay
sellers.  It is long, so if too long for your OLMR, and if you're
interested, you might look up the item at ebay and read it there, or I
will email the text to anyone who asks me to  - -  just send email to-
jim.holsonback{at}juno.com

Interestingly, he says "good luck and do not expect good results" about
my own 92274A cartridge, and I'm working OK with my refill job (so far).
I don't print all that much, so even if I only get a couple more months
out of it, I'll still be pleased.

 - - -  JimH.
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eBay item 3400103949 (Ends Feb-07-03 22:30:16 PST ) - 6R914 XD100 6R751 6R352 6

    Seller (rating) harrysamuel(482)
  Description
  THIS AUCTION IS FOR ONE TONER KIT TO REFILL YOUR SPECIFIC CARTRIDGE.
  Please read all details of this auction before bidding. E-mail orders take
  much longer than a quick call to 877-505-8000 with credit card
  information.

  All of my toners contain the same amount of toner that is put into the
  original cartridge that is sold as new in stores. Please contact me if you
  have any questions.

  I usually list one toner type in each auction, but this auction is
  different.
  I have seen other eBay Sellers listing several toners for bid and was
  shocked that they considered these cartridges easy to do. Many auctions
  have statements like "refill the cartridge like the Pros do in five to ten
  minutes." Well TRI-STATE started remanufacturing the Canon CX Engine (the
  first HP LASERJET) around 1987, the company was TRI-COUNTY CARTRIDGE at
  that time. Over time, more and more people saw remanufactured cartridges
  as an easy way to make a fast buck. Before we knew it guys where refilling
  the cartridges instead of remanufacturing them. A costly mistake that
  creates defective cartridges. By 1992 TRI-COUNTY CARTRIDGE changed its
  name to TRI-STATE PRINTER AND COPIER SUPPLY CO., INC. and moved into OEM
  (original equipment manufacture) / NAME BRAND supplies (new stuff). The
  "REFILLERS" had driven prices and quaility so low that customers where
  driven away from remanufactured cartridges. Many companies could not
  continue lossing money competing with the REFILLERS. The REFILLERS
  eventually drove people away from remanufacted cartridges because they
  were/are refilling in their basement, with no training, no real knowledge,
  producing of unreliable quality and selling them at a next to nothing
  cost. It has taken years to get back customers who bought bad cartridges,
  now the REFILLERS are on eBay, selling cartridges and refill kits. Sure
  they have good feedback, eBay only allows one posting of FEEDBACK per
  auction, which is usually when the cartridge or kit is received and not
  after they try to "refill" the cartridge. TRI-STATE has been selling
  cartridges since the the first laserjet, and try to inform customers of
  what it takes to remanufacture a cartridge. Some cartridges are designed
  to be refilled, and some are not. Our customers show thier apprectiation
  buy continuing to buy from us. FEEDBACK only deals with the speed of the
  transaction, since eBay only allows one posting, within a limited time
  frame. FEEDBACK has a limited meaning. TRI-STATE only remanufactures a few
  cartridges out of hundreds, all the other cartridges we sell are done by
  major remanufactures in ISO9000 certified factories, not Uncle Freddies
  basement. So how do the "PRO's" remanufacture a cartridge? And can you do
  it at home with a few household tools. Lets start with the basic tools we
  have in our shop. The drum lathe, the air filtration system, the
  compressed air system, the 3 micron toner vacumes, drum pliers, and other
  household tools. Now lets look at replacement parts we stock: OPC's,
  PCR's, mag rollers, doctor blades, wiper blades, recovery blades, springs,
  pins, corona wire and other "household" items. Refilling is taking toner
  and "FILLING" the hopper with more toner. Remanufactuing
involves complete
  disassembly of the cartridge, cleaning out the waste toner in the waste
  chamber, inspecting and replacing any worn parts, reassemble the
  cartridge. Not a five to ten minute operation. Please read all the quotes
  from other auctions, then see if you really want to buy a "refill
kit". If
  you want to do it, buy your kit from me. I will provide post sales tech
  support, and if I believe you should not attempt a particular cartridge,
  like the A30 Canon I will tell you why you should not expect good results.

  YOUR BID WILL GET YOU ONE KIT
  to
  REFILL YOUR EMPTY CARTRIDGE
  TONER REFILL KIT includes 1 bottle of toner, a pour spout and instructions
  for disassembly and re-fill of the cartridge.
  WE CARRY A FULL LINE OF
  OEM - ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURE
  AND
  GENERIC
  COPIER AND PRINTER TONERS
  The following ads appear from time to time. I will sell you the correct
  toner for whatever printer or copier you own.

  AUCTION SAYS: This is a sealed bottle of toner manufactured for Epson
  Action Laser 1000/1500/1600 printers. A very practical do-it-yourself
  Refill Kit because fill hole is located on the outside and 100% accessible
  to anyone. By adding toner to your good empty cartridge you can double the
  usage on the cartridge. This is only good if cartridge is in good working
  condition but simply out of toner. Do not attempt to refill the same core
  more than once as waste hoper may over fill. Please direct your questions
  to us before bidding. You will receive instructions and a screw-on funnel
  with each shipment. Your shipping cost is $3.60
  comment - any cartridge with a waste hopper will eventually spill toner
  all over the inside of the printer.
  AUCTION SAYS: refills NEC SuperScript 600 Plus Series (20-090) and NEC
  SuperScript 870 (20-120) also refills Lexmark Optra E (69G8256) and
  Minolta PagePro/PageWorks 6 (0938-303)
  comment - e-mail for problem list
  AUCTION SAYS: refills HP LaserJet 5P/6P (C3903A) also refills Canon
  LaserClass 8500/9000/9500 FX4 (H11-6401)
  comment - this cartridge has a drum built in, you might get one extra
  cycle, but waste toner should be emptied.
  AUCTION SAYS: refills Canon PC-300/400/500/700/900 Series E40 (F41-8801)
  comment - the canon A30 & E40 were made to make refilling almost
  imposible. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME CALL ME FOR THE ENTIRE STROY
  AUCTION SAYS: refills Canon PC-1/2/3/5/6/7/8/11/12/65 A30 (F41-4102) also
  refills Ricoh LR-1 (208045) includes felt wand - refill pad
  comment - call me - this was Canons attempt to stop remanufacturing of
  their cartridges.
  AUCTION SAYS: Toner & Developer Kit refills Xerox 5201/03/05/06 (6R737)
  and Xerox XC300 Series (6R737) also refills Sharp Z-20 Series (ZT-20TD1)
  comment - not a problem easy to do
  AUCTION SAYS: refills Sharp Z-50/70/80 Series (ZT-50TD1) also refills
  Xerox 5008/5240/60/80 (6R343) and Xerox 5009/5307/08/09/10 (6R359)
  comment - easy to do - go for it
  AUCTION SAYS: Toner & Developer Kit refills Sharp Z-800 Series (ZT-81TD1)
  and Xerox XC800/1000/1200 Series (6R881)
  comment - one that I sell in other auctions - easy
  AUCTION SAYS: refills Xerox 5205/10/20/22 (6R333) and Xerox XC500 Series
  (6R333) also refills Sharp Z-30 (ZT-30TD1)
  comment - another easy one to do

  AUCTION SAYS: Refilling Procedure Overview: Our illustrated, easy to
  follow instructions show you how to remove the front cover and refill the
  cartridge like the Pros do. Our kit includes new developer which is
  essential to obtain the best print quality. Refill time is 10 to 15
  minutes and requires only a few simple household tools.
  comment - "like the pro's do", give me a break, when you refill your
  cartridge at home you will be a jack of all trades, master of none. 10 to
  15 minute job, it takes that longer to open the box, get the toner, read
  the instructions, prepare the work surface, do the job, and clean up the
  toner you have spilled all over the place. Do this outside, your shopvac
  will blow the toner through the filter and into the air you are breathing.
  I do sell a 3 micron toner vacuum for the real dedicated refillers.
  Tired of the high price of cartridges for your HP 4 or 5, Apple
  Laserwriter Pro 600, Brother HL-960, Canon LBP-1260 or other laser printer
  using the 92298a (EX) cartridge? Refilling the unit can be done with brand
  new, fresh 340 grams of toner quickly and easily!! This is not a drill a
  hole in the cartridge refill. A screwdriver and five minutes is all it
  takes to refill the cartridge without removing any of the internal moving
  parts. Easy instructions are included with each bottle of toner. Keep one
  on hand for those late nights printing the tax returns, and save the day!
  I started doing this when my printer ran out on April 14th, and no stores
  were open for a new cartridge, which I would have paid the $80 plus tax
  for gladly. The returns got done, but I did not want to be unprepared
  again. The OPC drum, PCR (primary charge roller) and blades are good for
  several cycles before you need to remanufacture the unit or buy a new one.
  Please add $4.00 for shipping for the first bottle, $1.00 more each for
  any additional bottles. Thanks for looking!
  comment - good luck with this one - this cartridge was design not to be
  refilled.
  do you really want to buy toner from an accountant who did not keep a
  spare cartridge to print his clients TAX RETURNS on April 14th?
  Toner refill kit for C3906A cartridge for HP 5L & 6L(HP) which is used in
  the HP 5L or 6L and Cannon. This kit comes with 1 bottle of toner (140 gr)
  (enough for one refill) & simple easy to follow instructions (with
  Pictures) on how to easily refill "your" C3906A cartridge. The
  manufacturer did not provide you ready access to the fill port or a
  convenient way to purchase new toner, because they would just as soon sell
  you a new drum etc. each time you use up the toner. The C3906a cartridges
  can be refilled several times before the printing starts to degrade - This
  way you can be the judge as to when you want to pay full price and buy the
  new drum along with their cartridge. The toner used in the c3906a
  cartridge is a special ultra fine grind with low fuser temp and cannot be
  found at retail or the usual wholesale outlets. Winning bidders will pay a
  $5.00 shipping charge.
  comment - another good luck do not expect good results
  Toner refill kit for 92274A cartridge for HP 4L & 4P(HP). This kit comes
  with 1 bottle of toner (140 gr) & simple easy to follow instructions (with
  Pictures) on how to easily refill "your" 92274A cartridge. The
  manufacturer did not provide you ready access to the fill port or a
  convenient way to purchase new toner, because they would just as soon sell
  you a new drum etc. each time you use up the toner. The 92274A cartridges
  can be refilled several times before the printing starts to degrade - This
  way you can be the judge as to when you want to pay full price and buy the
  new drum along with their cartridge. The toner used in the 92274A
  cartridge is a special ultra fine grind with low fuser temp and cannot be
  found at retail or the usual wholesale outlets. Winning bidders will pay a
  $5.00 shipping charge.
  comment - another good luck do not expect good results
  Refill your own Canon PC-20 copier cartridge. Check out my feedback if you
  have any doubts about this procedure! Many, many totally satisfied
  customers! Read what they have to say. Email me if you have ANY questions.
  If you have a PC-20 toner cartridge that is empty or getting low on toner,
  you can easily refill it with toner yourself. The PC-20 cartridges can be
  refilled up to 4 times without taking it apart or changing any of the
  internal parts. I provide simple instructions, toner, funnel, etc., for
  you to make a small hole in the 'supply' chamber of the cartridge, then
  all you have to do is add the toner, and tape up the hole. The toner is a
  full "150 grams". If your cartridge was making good copies, and
simply ran
  out of toner, or if you are just running low on toner, or if you have an
  old empty PC-cartridge laying around that you would like to reuse, than
  this is the simplist and most economical method to get a full 'like-new'
  cartridge that has a retail value of up to $120.00. Save $$$$ by doing it
  yourself. Please email me if you have any questions. Buyer pays $4.50 for
  insured shipping by USPS Priority Mail for up to two, and slightly more
  for each additional kit.
  comment - another good luck do not expect good results
  drill a hole in your cartridge, try it, remember that as you drill any
  bits of plastic that get in the cartridge will do wonders for your fusing
  assembly and other internal parts in your copier.
  Refill your own Canon E16, E20, E31 or E40 copier cartridge, or your Canon
  A15 or A30 copier cartridge, or MANY other Canon copier cartridges (Email
  me for cross-reference of your copier or printer model.) If you have a
  toner cartridge that is empty or getting low on toner, you can easily
  refill it with toner yourself. Toner cartridges can be refilled several
  times without changing any of the internal parts or disassembling. I
  provide simple instructions, toner, funnel, etc., for you to make a small
  hole in the 'supply' chamber of the cartridge, then all you have to do is
  add the toner, and tape up the hole. The toner is "180 grams" (a
  larger-than-normal size; fill your cartridge and have some leftover for an
  additional partial refill!), more than TWICE the toner that is in a new or
  most reconditioned E16, E20 or A15 cartridges, and more toner than that in
  a new E31, E40 or A30 cartridge. If your cartridge was making good copies,
  and just ran out of toner, or if you are just running low, or if you have
  an extra empty cartridge laying around that you would like to reuse, than
  this is the simplist and most economical method to get a full 'like-new'
  cartridge that has a retail value of up to $130.00. Save $$$$ by refilling
  your cartridge yourself. Email me if you have any questions, or want to
  know its compatibility with your copier or printer. Check out my Ebay
  feedback to see what others who have tried this procedure have to say!
  comment - another good luck do not expect good results
  double the toner? How many grams are included? How many grams in a new
  cartridge? E16 E20 & A15 sell for around $89.99 not $130.00 as stated, and
  contain half the toner of the E31 (discontinued) E40 (current) & A30.
  If you have any questions or need further information e-mail or call me at


  1-877-505-8000
  TOLL FREE

  9am-5pm EST Monday to Friday
  send me email: tristatesales{at}bigfoot.com
THE TONER IN THIS AUCTION IS FOR USE IN  
(Matt, It includes yours - - 92295A)
      Starting bid: US $11.99
      Your maximum bid:
      ( Minimum bid: US $11.99 )

Note from JimH - BIR he has a "buy-it-now" price of $12.99.

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