On Wednesday, 98/12/30, Tobias Ernst wrote to David Noon about "VisualAge
C++ for OS/2" as follows:

Hi Tobias,

TE>  GW>>btw, recommended RAM according to a follow up post was 128 Meg!!!!!
TE> 
TE>  DN> What??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????
TE>  DN> But C/C++ produces the leanest, meanest object code possib...
TE> 
TE> EMX 0.9d runs on 8MB machines (or even less, if it has to 
TE> be), and also is a state of the art C++ compiler which has 
TE> been written in C itself.

Unless Eberhard Mattes has significantly upgraded the C++ grammar in the new
release, it is not state of the art (i.e. ISO/ANSI FDIS). It is more advanced
than IBM VAC++ 3.0, but I would expect 4.0 to have remedied that.

TE> Together with the Ressrouce 
TE> Workshop from Borland, which also runs on 8MB machines, it 
TE> is not too hard to create GUI applications with it, either.

No need for that Borland junk. There is URE (formerly known as Prominare
Lite) supplied with the OS/2 Warp Developer's Toolkit 4.0. I like URE more
than Resource Workshop.

TE> I think it is possible to create bloated programs in any 
TE> programming language, so the fact that IBM VAC++ is bloated 
TE> does not say anything about the quality of the language.
TE> 
TE> I think it is just that "C++" is "hip", so
everybody starts 
TE> learning C++, and so C++ has the most "unexperienced" 
TE> programmers, so that it is natural, that quite a lot of C++ 
TE> programs do not behave too well ...
TE> 
TE> Admittedly, C++ makes it very easy to create bloated 
TE> programs for unexperienced programmers ...

Indeed, the whole object oriented paradigm seems to make for bloatware. You
might have read my follow-up message to Coridon Henshaw, in which I mentioned
SmallTalk. Pure OOP all too often leads to pure bloat.

Regards

Dave


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