From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

Monte Davis wrote:
> Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">
> wrote:
>
>> Nah. It's like blaming the Koreans for not "coming to an
agreement" with
>> the Empire of Japan prior to 1945.
>>
>> Do you blame the Koreans too?
>
> Case by case, Adam -- too many apples, oranges, pomegranates, bananas,
> persimmons and gooseberries out there for comparisons to help much.
>

Blimey. So Egypt is different to Syria which is different to Jordan which
is different to Lebanon....or is the fact that they have all/still have
large chunks of their territory occupied by the Israelis a "common
thread"?

> If it were 1945-1948 again, would I rather see a Jewish state carved
> out of Bavaria than out of Palestine? Yes -- making Arabs pay for
> European crimes was bogus, and I'd rather modern states not grant
> privileged status to *anybody*'s land claims based on ancient
> mythology. No end of trouble waiting there...
>

Yup. I think it's coz God seems unable to speak for himself.


> That said... I believe that short of Israel's destruction, there have
> been, are, and will be times when Palestinians and other Arabs who
> resent Israel (but want even more to get on with their lives) need to
> say "stop it" to -- and even enforce it on -- those whose priorities
> are the other way 'round. And Israel isn't going to be destroyed
> without side effects that will make all Israeli *and* Arab sufferings
> since 1948 look trivial.
>


Hum. By force in one almighty gotterdammerung you are probably correct.
However via demographics etc. then it will be an interesting election &
were the Arab parties to win then the Jewish terrorism would be
interesting. Were the Jewish gov to suddenly introduce apartheid & to
disenfranchise arab voters, that would be interesting.

What both the Arabs & the Israelis know is that peace is Israel's worst
enemy. This is why Saudi, Egypt are so keen on peace.


> "Unjust?" Sure, there's a lot of it going around -- Ireland, Basques,
> a Holocaust's worth of displaced Germans/Poles/etc in 1945, lots more.
> Come to think of it, I've heard rumors a continent was stolen
> somewhere around here not all that long ago.
>
>

Oh indeed. However it's always down to the degree that those who have been
treated unjustly are prepared to fight (or others are prepared to fight on
their behalf).

E.g. Ireland w/o the IRA might be part of the UK. Northern Ireland w/o the
UDO etc might be part of Eire, you might be in one big union with Canada
etc.

It would appear that the Arabs are prepared to fight & in Lebanon are
going through what you went though in 1776 etc e.g.

"To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the
union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;"

Adam

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