From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

John Cuccia wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:38:18 +0100, Adam 
> wrote:
>
>> John Cuccia wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:25:09 +0100, Adam
>>> <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
field.near the bridge"> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Cuccia wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:50:15 +0200, "Phil Payne"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's right about killing civilians , or
calling for genocide?
>>>>>> How many dozens on the Israeli side?  How many
thousand on the
Palestinian
>>>>>> side?
>>>>> How many billions of the Muslim side?  How many Jews? 
You've made
>>>>> that point repeatedly.  Israel cannot win a war of
attrition, and
>>>>> their enemies still don't recognize their right to exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would you suggest?
>>>> They could start treating the Arabs as equals & get
off their militarist
>>>> track.
>>> That sounds great as long as you continue to ignore the large number
>>> of Arabs who won't rest until Israel is gone from the Middle East.   A
>>> demilitarized Israel wouldn't last 5 years as an independent state.
>>>
>>> So, what's option #2?
>> Who said "demilitarized"? Militarism is a state of mind/politics.
>>
> >
>> ...the mil...the mil is the...the mil is the answer....
>
> OK, I get that.  So what should the Israeli response be to random
> attacks on their military and civilian infrastructure?
>

How should the Lebanese or the Palestinians? Massively different scale.
Whole city blocks of Tel Aviv have not been destroyed, most of the power
stations have not been destroyed, most of the bridges, highways etc have
not been destroyed, their airport works, the water runs, there is food in
the shops.

They need to realise that they are not keeping the land taken in 67 no
mater how nice the views & they should think it lucky that they're not
going back to the UN agreed border.

Then they need to actually start trying to get on with people around them
instead of simply threatening any & everyone with violence.

They need to realise that they actually need a functioning Palestinian gov
no matter who the Palestinians decide to vote in.

>> WRT the large number of Arabs, it was the case that most of the Gulf
>> Arabs, the Saudis, Yemenis etc not to mention the Jordanians & Egyptians
>> had reconciled themselves to an Israel.
>
> Maybe the ruling elite in those countries had done so, maybe they were
> just paying lip service to the West.  Meanwhile, religious
> leaders/teachers continued to a couple of generations of children that
> Israel was evil and needed to be removed from the Middle East.
>

Nah. There is a great deal of disliking for their occupation of every one
of their neighbors but frankly if Canada occupied 1/2 of the US it would
take a while for anti-Canadian animosity to subside.

Adam
>> Personally I blame Netanyahu as when he came into power the Arabs were
>> saying "OK let's just get some equality for the Palestinians
& that will
>> happen...." & then Netenyahu basically killed Oslo by
going hell for
>> leather building new settlements.
>
> So do you think there a solution that will provide Paletinians with
> that equality and Israel with some protection from attack?
>

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