From: "Rich Gauszka" 

I'm saying that Shah Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi had the SAVAK secret police
and thousands were tortured and killed in his regime.

Yes his replacements the religious extremists also repressed dissidents but
I fail to see the difference if you are being tortured to death by the
Savak or some nutty Mullah's followers


"Gary Britt"  wrote in message
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> Are you seriously arguing that the Shaw was worse than the despots, secret
> police, and murdering and torturing mullahs that took his place?
>
> Don't let history deter your views.
>
> Gary
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:44d652f5{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Gee I thought we are opposed to brutal regimes, secret police and
>> torture? Our ally the Shaw didn't have much time left nor did his secret
>> police. The problems with Iran are the fuckups prior to Carter starting
>> with Eisenhower/Dulles and the deposing of an elected Prime minister
>> Mohammed Mossadegh by the CIA in their paranoic distrust of third world
>> nationalism
>>
>> Don't let facts deter your views though
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
>> news:44d64e06{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Laid the groundwork, he single handedly pulled the rug out from under
>>> the Shaw and opened arms for the entrance of Khomeni (sp?) and his
>>> fascists to take over the country.  The Shaw had the largest and
>>> strongest military (strongly PRO USA) anywhere in the Middle East.
>>> Carter gave this good friend the finger, deliberately caused his fall
>>> from power and then wouldn't even let the guy into the country for
>>> medical treatment when he was dying. This one single mismanagement by
>>> Carter is the first and one of the largest links in the chain from
>>> Carter's imbecility and incompetence all the way 9/11.
>>>
>>> What a putz that moron is?  He has NEVER gotten over the sting of being
>>> soundly rejected by the people for a second term as the incompetent fool
>>> he so clearly was and is.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>> news:44d55c67$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Yea, this is just what we need, the worst president in the
history of
>>>> the country attempting to undermine current policy.
Despite his failure
>>>> in office, I used to admire him for his post-presidency actions --
>>>> mostly quiet and doing things with hammers to help people. He's long
>>>> since negated that feeling on my part.
>>>>
>>>> But seriously, I can't imagine that Rich feels any love
for the guy, so
>>>> wonder why he posted this ongoing example of Carter's
fecklessness? I
>>>> didn't used to feel this way, but I am certain now that
his inexcusable
>>>> weakness in '79 laid the groundwork for all of our problems with
>>>> Islamo-Fascism today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
>>>> news:44d5598d{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>A perfect example of the insight and judgment of Jimmy
Carter that made
>>>>>him one of the worst and most disasterous foreign
policy and domestic
>>>>>presidents of his century.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jimmy Carter gave Iran to the Islamofascists that are
in control of
>>>>> Iran to this day.
>>>>>
>>>>> What an incredible imbecile.  A hammer is about the
only thing he can
>>>>> out smart.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:44d54770{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/05/carter.mideast.ap/index.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It depends on whether world opinion is
strong enough to get the
>>>>>> administration to change its erroneous policy,
which has been to
>>>>>> encourage the continuation of attacks on both
sides," Carter, a
>>>>>> Democrat, told The Grand Rapids Press in an
interview Friday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In my opinion, maybe the worst ally Israel
has had in Washington has
>>>>>> been the George W. Bush administration, which
hasn't worked to bring
>>>>>> a permanent peace to Israel," Carter told the
newspaper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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