BJ> In batch files, under the WIN32 version of DOS 
 BJ> command.com, the problem with using batch files to 
 BJ> start a second program (such as Binkley to a BBS) is 
 BJ> that command.com drops DTR, which for most setups will 
 BJ> hang up on the caller.  So, it depends on methods used.

 ML> So you're basically saying that the DOS version of 
 ML> BinkleyTerm can't run spawnbbs.bat under Windows 2000 ?

I believe any program using DTR to control the modem can't use the batch
method under a Win32 system (such as windows 2000).  Doesn't matter if it
is a Win32 program or a DOS based program.  If the program starts
command.com to run a batch file to start the next program, I believe it
will drop DTR.

 ML> I'd have to use thw Win32 BinkleyTerm or WinFOSSIL to get it to work ?

I believe Win32 version of binkley using a batch file would also fail. 
Using the Win32 version of binkley with the internal spawning method should
work.  I would expect the winfossil option to also fail.

 BJ> As to Binkley, I believe it was designed to call the 
 BJ> fax software and not have the fax software call it.  At 
 BJ> a minimum you will need to tweak the init strings in 
 BJ> binkley.  And you would need to find a setup that lets 
 BJ> you properly terminate binkley after each call....  
 BJ> Probably doable, but the reverse logic that I've seen 
 BJ> most systems running Binkley use.....

 ML> Somewhere in Bt-ref.txt mentions leaving DTR high, but 
 ML> that might have been related to terminal mode.

Most BBS software uses DTR for controlling the modem to hang up.  If DTR is
dropped (to low), the call is hung up on.  This requires the modem to be
configured to use DTR....

 ML> Even if I left DTR high when calling "bt unattended", 
 ML> BinkleyTerm would need to know that a connection had 
 ML> been made ie. "CONNECT" needs to be sent. Otherwise I 
 ML> doin't see BinkleyTerm doing anything with the live 
 ML> line after it enters unattended mode ... it would just 
 ML> sit there until the remote end hangs up.

Ah, yes.  Bink does look for the connect string to start things, at least
the normal way it is run.  Well, you have source code available to you if
you want to change something....  Just make sure the modified version is
properly renamed / documented per what the licensing documentation calls
for.

 BJ> I think there is a way to have binkley call BGFax for 
 BJ> fax handling.  There is definately a way to have 
 BJ> Binkley handle the fax calls along with the data 
 BJ> calls.....  Why reverse the process?

 ML> I want to see if I can pass telnet callers to 
 ML> BinkleyTerm without using virtual modem or virtual com port methods.

Ah....  I don't know of folks using binkley without such.  But I'm also not
using the versions after 2.60 of Binkley. You may need to look at the later
development to see if there are options to do what you want.  I don't think
most BBS software has been converted to properly use TCP/IP signals for
session hang up versus simulated modem controls.

 ML> FrontDoor can do it, so I want to see if BinkleyTerm could.

Ok.....  Then look for BinkleyTerm after 2.60, which is strictly third part
development.  

Remember Binkley was developed for modem controlled communications, not IP
based communications.....

Take care.....

Bob Jones, 1:343/41


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