MM> G'morning Bbo,

 MM>>> And immigrant groups tend to work harder than residents -
 BK>>>  Which is of what value to the residents?
 MM>> Economically, yes - appreciated, not always...
 BK>>  Is it of value economically? In the short run, maybe. In the
 BK>>  long run it pulls everyone down to the same level.

 MM> Err ... as opposed to stagnating in royal isolation ?

 Like I said, immigration should be for cultural benefit, not
 economic.

...

 MM>> some of NZ's first
 MM>> settlers are still resisting every subsequent wave - but
 MM>> are first in line to revel in the new ways of the
 MM>> newcomers...

 BK>>  When people here ask how it would have turned out if the Indians
 BK>>  had had the sort of immigration restrictions I favor, I point
 BK>>  out that it would have been much better for the Indians.

 MM> Only if they had been able to keep abreast of foreign
 MM> developments in the economic and technological fields that
 MM> enabled enforcement of their immigration restrictions.

 Which they could have by allowing international trade, but
 severly restricting immigration.

 BK>>  I say the only reason for allowing immigration here is for the
 BK>>  cultural advantages.

 MM>> and most shops good carry a `made in Asia' label.

 BK>>  Which is one of the downsides.

 MM> Seems to me that we're dealing with a ball of wax here that
 MM> actually has several major facets that could be wrapped up
 MM> in concerns such as...

 MM> 1.  The tribes of man are wonderful diverse culturally and
 MM> ought to be preserved...

 That I'm not too concerned about. I consider it impossible, in
 the long run.

 MM> 2.  The discoveries of man scratch at the fabric of the
 MM> universe and ought to be encouraged...

 MM> 3.  The spread of man pollutes this bit of that universe
 MM> and ought to be better managed... (especially on the North
 MM> Shore here in Auckland, New Zealand)...

 MM> 4.  The discriminative learning of man that enabled 2 and 3
 MM> above ought to be suppressed in reference to the
 MM> intermingling of man's tribes...

 MM> Seeing such discriminations laid out underlines for me the
 MM> dangerous downside of our current economic wisdoms
 MM> (economics is NOT and NEVER CAN BE a science) in laying
 MM> efficient waste to Earth's non-renewable resources ...

 Ya think so? Yeah, I see it too.

 MM> After which prononcement,  I think I'll sneak back into my
 MM> mountain cave and have a little lie down...

 Good idea.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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