-=> On 03-12-98  19:03, Paul Andinach said to Ivy Iverson,<=-
-=>"About Genuine?...,"<=-
-=> Quoting Ivy Iverson to Matthew Scruggs <=-
 
Hiu, Paul;
 
 II> THAT I will agree with 110%!  There is NO DOUBT in my mind that it was
 II> _N-O-T_ any balloon from ANYWHERE!  The givverment HAS to know what it
 II> is, and has OBVIOUSLY been covering it up for over 50 years now!
 PA> You're not exactly leaving yourself much maneuvering room. What
 PA> happens if somebody finds proof beyond reasonable doubt that it *was*
 PA> a Mogul balloon? Or are you just planning to ignore any new
 PA> information that might give you doubts?
 
New information?  Let's have it!  All the info _I_ have seen argues
AGAINST the Mogul lie... er ... story!
 
 II> If it were some then-secret project, it would almost certainly have
 II> come out in the open by now, just as most/all the other stuff out of
 II> the black projects of that era have
 PA> Let me see now...
 PA> US GOVT: We confess. It was a secret project for spying on the
 PA> Russians with high-altitude balloons.
 PA> IVY: Keep it coming, I've got a garden to fertilize.
 PA> so I do not believe that it was anything - military OR civilian -
 PA> from our technology of 1947.
 II> In my mind, that only leaves one source for whatever-it-was,
 II> which leads to the virtually inescapable conclusion that the
 II> Givverment is scared s#|][ess that if they tell the truth about
 II> it, it will cause panic (and rioting) in the streets, because
 II> "the public couldn't handle the fact that 'someone else' _IS_
 II> visiting us!"
 PA> Summary of Ivy's argument:
 PA> I don't believe the government when they say it was Project Mogul.
 
Any more than I believe the half-dozen or so OTHER "Real O-fishy
explainations" that they Pentigon has had in the last few years!  Ye gads,
Paul, how could this be a TRUTHFUL explaination if it included crash
dummies that weren't even INVENTED until several years later???  What
did they do, have it drift through a time warp?  (I thought time warps
only existed in theory... and Sci-Fi!)  And those who have searched
through the Project Mogul records using FOIA requests have accounted for
EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Mogul balloons except one, and THAT ONE WAS NEVER
LAUNCHED!  There are a few more holes in the O-fishy Mogul argument as
well, those are two that stand out in my mind.
 
 PA> Therefore, it wasn't anything from America's technology of the time.
 
Non-Sequitur.
 
 PA> Therefore, it could only have been aliens.
 
Again Non-Sequitur.  You are the one making big jumps now!
 
 PA> Therefore, the Government is hiding aliens because it is afraid of
 PA> how the public will react.
 
THat would seem to be the long-term reason for the Givvernment's cover-up
of anything which smacks of anyone/anything from "some where/some time
other than here and now."
 
 PA> I dunno... There seem to be a few holes in that argument...
 
As there are in yours.
 
FACT: _SOMETHING_ happened near Roswell, NM in 1947.
 
FACT: If the Govt. had given out ONE story that nobody could find holes
in, it would be believable... but the weather balloon with radar reflector
story DID NOT HOLD UP!  Neither did any of the others!
 
FACT: Since then, the Govt. has released AT LEAST half a dozen stories,
each more unbelievable than the last when examined through FOIA requests!
 
CONCLUSION: When so many O-FISHY accounts are released over half a century
and NONE of them stand up when investigated via FOIA requests OR
interviews with (alleged) witnesses, then the ONLY conclusion that a
THINKING person can come up with is that Uncle Sam is COVERING UP
_SOMETHING!_
 
FACT: The PROVEN purpose of Project Blue Book and it's sucessors, according
to FOIA requests, was to DISCREDIT ALL WITNESS REPORTS OF UFOs AS SOME
NATURAL PHENOMINA!  This went to the extent of identifying an "unknown" as
the planet Venus, WHEN IT WAS IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE SKY - OR NOT
VISIBLE!
 
FINAL CONCLUSION: The U.S. Govt. MUST, by applying common logic, HAS to be
covering up SOMETHING!  And since the cover-up appears to be aimed at
unidentified objects in the sky or on the ground, (common term: UFOs), a
thinking person can ONLY conclude that the givvernment is LYING to cover
up SOMETHING!  And since it seemed to start about July, 1947, I would say
that whatever-it-was that crashed near Roswell is within the scope of that
cover-up.  _IF_ it had been something from OUR technology of that time, I
would think that it would have become public by now, much as the U-2,
SR-71, spy satellites that can read the licence plate on your car from over
100 miles up, and so many other top-secret projects which have become
public knowledge have in the half century-plus since 1947!  And how do you
explain away all the sightings, both visual and on radar, which have been
made in the last half-century or so?  Surely they aren't ALL nuts, fakers,
mistaken or liars... ARE THEY???
 
 II> My _OPINIONS_ are my own, and may just be the ravings of a
 II> lunatic... but I don't think so.   ;->
 PA> I agree with you there; I think "well-intentioned but misguided"
 PA> fits better.
 
As you like it.
 
 PA> ... faster than a speeding ticket ...
 
LOL
 
Catch you later... Keep l00king up... you just might SEE one!
   Ivy
 
 
... Never believe anything until its been officially denied.
 
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