BK>I agree.. the concept is great to a point although I don't
BK>always agree with it.. especially when it went into the TNG
BK>phase.. and after 10 years in TV.. I'm well aware of
BK>keeping the "personalities" as a seperate issue. ;)
        My particular personality sometimes requires seperation from the
 things I talk about...
BK>Well I didn't see it, but even Action/adventure must be
BK>writen well to go over well. This doesn't sound like a good
BK>example. :/
        It's a good example of a bad example.  It was a classic Voyager
  failure.
BK>Part of the problem.. you see when a writer puts together a
BK>script with a good idea.. they need to use various
BK>scripting devices to put forth that idea and NOT leave it
BK>to the director to "interprete" the concept.
        I'm sorry I still don't understand this.
BK>In other words.. *IF* I had an action/adventure script..
BK>part of which included notes for the director or the CGI
BK>folks.... it wouldn't work the
BK>way they're doing things.
        I don't understand *this* either.  True a certain amount of the
 look and feel of the episode are dreamed up the by the Director and the
 Special Effects people.  I don't have a big problem with the look of
 Voyager.  Their SFX are fine.
BK>> I disagree with an assumption you make here.  TOS wasn't the
BK>> great God of Trek.  It wasn't a perfect show and had some flaws and
BK>> some dropped balls of it's own.  Setting a new series on an old ship
BK>> wouldn't solve anything if they were going to a stupid pattern of story
BK>> telling to begin with.
BK>You misunderstand..  TOS WAS the great spark of TREK for many of us.. it
BK>created that hard core fan group that allowed TMP and later
BK>movies, it allowed for TNG.. it allowed for the franchise.
BK>More then that.. it allowed for all the Sci-fi that came
BK>after.. Trek was in a sense.. the grandfather of much of
BK>what followed over the years including Star Wars, Alien(s),
BK>etc etc.
        I am not an original fan  (I became a hard core trekkie during
 TMP) but I watched the TOS avidly  (One of my first memories is the
 scene in "By Any Other Name" when you see the Enterpise heading for
 Andromeda)
        I will cheerfully concede the idea that TOS is the source and
 starting point.  I just don't think that cheesy set designs or motor
 oil Klingons are the core of what's valuable about it.
BK>More then that.. it's an example of a show that worked.. if
BK>only in the sense of the hard core viewer segment that
BK>loved it so. It had writing (as much as practical for those
BK>days and production values), it had chemistry, etc etc.
BK>Sure it had flaws.. it was years before it's time if only
BK>in production values for what they were trying. But could
BK>you imagine something like a "TOS" type show with that kind
BK>of writing and the current production values?
BK>They solved things on a realistic basis without reverting to Treknobable! 
:)
BK>Man what a concept! :)
        That's the writing.  That's the patern, the format of the story
 that one tells.
BK>To do so would mean revising Voyager. Crew chemistry would
BK>have to change, writing has ALWAYS needed to change, etc
BK>etc.
BK>Besides.. I have a single love for the older class ships..
BK>they were cruder, and the crew had to be more "ceative" in
BK>the solutions to the weekly provlems.. :)
        I was just looking at my Trek References.  Let's compare and
  contrast  TOS and VOY here in episodes that seem similar in basic
  concept.  In TOS we have "The Corbomite Maneuver" and whatever that
  Voyager episode was with the long range transporting aliens.
        Same basic idea (Aliens menace the ship).  In TOS the alien was
  a threat hanging over the heads of the crew until they started to chew
  on each other.  In the end, the threat was revealed to be a single
  lone alien bluffing for all that he was worth. Kirk arranges for
  peaceful relations when most of us would have slapped the little
  so-and-so silly, but gets his revenge by ditching the loud, whiny
  crewmember with him.
        In VOY, they never actually told us *why* the aliens were
  menacing them.  Captain Janeway trapped them in a freezing terarium
   and said "Hah! I got you!"  They had so many scenes of sneaking
  through both the Voyager and the alien ship and gun-fights that they
  didn't leave any room to tell us just why any of this was going on!
        "The Corbomite Maneuver"  I figure would be rejected as a
  Voyager episode for being too slow.  Not enough explosions, and Kirk
  doesn't punch or shoot a single person during the whole episode!
        I could go through a whole list of similar comparisons.
BK>You don't completely understand the structure as it exists
BK>and I'm not at liberty to discuss everything I'm aware of.
        I wish I did.  I wish you were.  I read a comment from jms (The
  creator of Babylon 5).  He said that Jeri Taylor was a talented writer
  and producer, but that she was under certain restrictions from
  Paramount in regards to the types of stories she tells on Voyager.
  I'm paraphrasing, here and trying to edit out his opinion these
  restrictions.  I share this opinion, but the point I'm aiming at is
  where Taylor is restricted in terms of what sort of scripts she
  accepts and what sort of stories she tells.
Jay P. Hailey 
 * OLX 2.1 TD * "Could you run that one past again, slow?" - Aahz
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