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to: STEPHEN HAFFLY
from: STEPHANE BESSETTE
date: 1997-02-28 14:15:00
subject: Win95 under os/2 ???

-=> Quoting Stephen Haffly to Stephane Bessette <=-
 SH> On (16 Feb 97) Stephane Bessette wrote to George White...
 
 GW> NO! Win 95 will _only_ install on a primary partition on the first
 GW> hard drive.
 
 SB>         Not true.  I once installed Win95 on drive D.  Both drive C
 SB> and drive D were from the same physical hard disk.
 SH> Hi Stephane,
 SH> Please complete the hows.  Were you using boot manager?  If so, then
 SH> Boot Manager was on a primary partition that controlled the boot
 SH> process.  I am sure that after Windows 95 tried to trash your C: setup
 SH> that you had to go back with OS/2's FDISK and set things back to
 SH> right. 
        I did that last summer.  My friend was very quemish about
partitioning and formatting a hard drive, so I did most of the work.
He wanted to be certain to be able to run his DOS and Windows software,
and had also purchased Win95 (because that's what people on the Windows
platform had to do), and he had also purchased OS/2 v3.0, because I
kept telling him about it.
        So, to satisfy him, and give him the most freedom possible, I
decided on the following partitions:
C:  DOS/Windows 3.1
D:  Win95
E:  OS/2
F:  unused
 :  boot manager
        I put boot manager at the end, because DOS/Windows 3.1 had
already been installed, and I didn't want to go through that
installation.  I installed OS/2, showed him some of the basics, and
he said that he liked it, that it wasn't difficult to use, contrary
to what he had used.  Then I exited OS/2, rebooted in Windows 3.1,
installed Lotus SmartSuite, rebooted OS/2, and ran the 'add new
program' utility.  And he was impressed that OS/2 could find the
SmartSuite applications that had been installed under native Windows
3.1 (although I must admit that this was the response I had aimed for).
        By that time it was getting a bit late, so I quickly installed
Win95, and couldn't do it.  There was a hardware conflict, and either
the sound card or the mouse wouldn't work (I can't remember which).
After an hour of fiddling around and not gettin anywhere, but getting
a bit sleepy, I gave up and told him to seek help from someone who
knew Win95 better than I did.  Luckily, he had such a friend.  Before
he left, I reactivated the boot manager:  Win95 simply deactivates it,
it doesn't trash it.  This way, his computer could run DOS/Windows 3.1
and OS/2.  Or so I thought.
        For some reason, Lotus SmartSuite would no longer start under
OS/2.  I no longer had access to the computer, and couldn't figure
out the problem over the phone.  I asked him what he had done since
I had last seen the computer, and he said nothing, except that now
Win95 was working (probably his friend had fixed that problem).  Anyways,
he liked Win95 and decided to scrap OS/2.  Humft #$%#$$#!!.  So that
was the end of it.
        I know that this may have been a long story, but you did ask
that I 'complete the hows', and so I hope I did.  If you were only
wondering about how to reactivate boot manager, then you only need to
use fdisk and activate the partition.  You could do it from Win95, or
use the two OS/2 installation floppies, and exit the installation.  At
the prompt, type fdisk.
        Also, I've since installed Win95 on my own computer;  I'm tired
of friends calling me about their Win95 problems and me having to learn
Win95 'over the phone', by asking them questions.  I've installed it,
looked at it, and I must admit that I'm disappointed.  I had heard a lot
of hype, and a lot of comments about how user friendly it was, how you
could do so many things with it.  But my initial though on it was:
"What, this is all that there is?"  I couldn't believe it.  I always
believed that Win95 could compete against OS/2, and now I see for
myself that it just isn't so.
        Here's one difference: folders.  Under OS/2, a folder is an
object that contains other objects:  other folders, files, program
objects, shadows, templates, ...  Folders can present their information
in three views:  tree, icon, details.  With each of these views, you
can also specify other details, such as the size of the icons.  You can
also specify filters, so that certain objects are hidden and others
visible:  show me all files with extentions .CPP, .HPP, .EXE, .DLG, .RC
and I'll be happy since these are the files I need when I program, and
I have no use of .OBJ nor of .BAK.  You can also specify how the objects
are sorted.  Then you can specify the background, whether it is a color
or a bitmap.  You can easily customise the system menu (the one in the
upper left corner of every window).  You can make it a work area, a
really useful feature in some circumstances.  You can add comments, make
the folder a template, and change its icon.  With Win95, you can
specify some features, such as whether the extentions are displayed.
There must be other things you can do, but I'm not quite certain.
Nevertheless, it should be clear that you're quite limited, compared
to OS/2.
        I've been using OS/2 for 2 years now, and I find it difficult
to use an OS that works against me.  I need templates. I need shadows.
I need to be able to drag and drop objects.  I need superior
multitasking:  I rarely have less than 4 programs running.  I need
OS/2.
        Stephane [TEAM OS/2]
--- Blue Wave/OS2 v2.20
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