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to: MILES MAXTED
from: BOB KLAHN
date: 2005-01-08 12:03:00
subject: Happy Xmas !

MM> G'morning Bob,

 MM>> NZ has both Dutch and Africaans immigrants - and they all
 MM>> work hard and earnestly,  becoming successful NZers....
 MM>> very strange !

 BK>>  Every group works hard and earnestly, if the rewards are there.
 BK>>  If there are no rewards, there is on reason to work hard and
 BK>>  earnestly.

 MM> And immigrant groups tend to work harder than residents -

 Which is of what value to the residents?

 MM> they come to succeed, they bring different work habits and
 MM> getting established is a priority.  Residents are already

 They do so out of necessity. Which is of what value to us?

 MM> "in", share the local work habits and urgencies and accept
 MM> the mythical things that "can't be done".

 Or things that shouldn't be done.

 MM> The differences always spell trouble.  I watched a wave of
 MM> Italian immirgrants go through all sorts of trouble
 MM> settling into Australia - they're part of the population
 MM> now -  and the very different hassles the '60s wave of
 MM> Dutch had settling into NZ.

 MM> The Dutch brought determination, enormous learning
 MM> capacities and little capital;  the locals found them easy
 MM> to ignore for ten years,  when all of a sudden the rewards
 MM> of working very hard, learning NZ English and building
 MM> resources started to pay off big.

 And the grandchildren of those same people will react the same
 way to the next wave. After a while we get tired of an endless
 stream of newcomers who make us go through the same thing all
 over again. Life should be more than just continuous struggle to
 survive.

 MM> The outbursts of racism prompted then by naturalised Dutch
 MM> land- and business-owners was extraordinary !

 MM> We have a wave of Asian immigrants now beginning to bank on
 MM> their own industries here,  and the reaction from
 MM> traditional NZers is comparatively muted.

 MM> The more groups a country gets,  the less reaction is
 MM> generated; in Australia and New Zealand after WW2,  both
 MM> populations had real trouble getting to grips with the
 MM> "hard and earnest" workings of newcomers...

 Eventually it would be nice to actually enjoy the results of
 generations of work.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... Honest scales and full measure hurt nobody.   Old Chinese Proverb
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