-=> CHARLES ANGELICH wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 WC> burned. I'll figure it all out but damned if I  like 98
 WC> making the decisions where I put my packets for me. I chose
 WC> c:\md for QWK's and when I moved the MM folder to the
 WC> desktop it wanted them in
 WC> c:\Windows\desktop\mmail\down\qwkpack.q wk :-( I don't feel
 WC> like typing all that in Hyperterminal each time and the
 WC> like directory convention for qwkpack.rep's going back up.

 CA> I've never tried to install MM on a W9x box but that may be one
 CA> reason many use the XT version of MM with W9x to regain some
 CA> control? I don't really know why but many do use the XT version
 CA> instead of the MM32 version.


Got it working now, the trick is to run the executable the
first time from true DOS so Win 98 doesn't customize the
multimail.rc file in the blink of an eye when you answer "edit
now" 'Y".
Once I did that it worked fine and I did move MM.EXE to the desktop
for the shortcut.

 WC>> Installed Hyperterminal P.E. and got one packet downloaded
 WC>> alright but need to read the docs as something didn't go
 WC>> right this morning and the packet wouldn't decompress.

 CA>> I seem to recall a similar situation for my brother. I
 CA>> _think_ he did not have the autodetect for binary/ascii
 CA>> transfers turned on? Dim and foggy but seems that was it.

 Might have to do with Zclobber, I'll have to save the current packet's
 pointer file sommewhere until I've got the download part of
 Hypertrerminal PE figured out.

 CA> Alan Zisman recently was having problems getting packets to
 CA> uncompress. I don't remember his final solution though? Alan
 CA> uses MM.

 For me it was the automated edit done by 98, I deltree'd the
 install after removing from folders and configured
 from DOS, then it worked as expected.


 WC>> Next move is to create an icon for MultiMail so I don't
 WC>> have to drop to DOS box.

 CA>> Can't help there. My squabbles with WMcB made me not want
 CA>> to depend on MM so I rewrote ATP and use that.

 Already accomplished.

 CA> I'm not really up to speed on how W9x implements 'shortcuts'.
 CA> Not clear to me why W9x even has them really. They seem
 CA> redundant to me.


 I'm beginning to get the picture.
 The reason is for the technically nieve but the effect
 is frustrating to those profficient until they catch on.
 I'm about ready to move  everything over here,
 rearrange the room, split the disk for Linux and
 and use primarily this machine now.

 WC>> Attempted to sign up on www.ij.net yesterday and it flat
 WC>> out told me it wouldn't accept NS 7.0 :-( So I log back on
 WC>> with Explorer and it tells me I'm not encrypted so I can't
 WC>> get to that page. Never encrypted anything out of lack of
 WC>> need so I guess I'll have to look into my settings here.

 CA>> Hmmm ... did they say what level of encryption? There are
 CA>> restrictions as to what level of encryption can be
 CA>> exported outside the USA. You may have inadvertently
 CA>> downloaded the wrong versions of Nestscape and IEx? I
 CA>> think most want 128 bit encryption now?

 WC> Well this is the Explorer that came with the machine and
 WC> the software packages is labeled May 1998. You mean I may
 WC> have to delete

 CA> My gut reaction is to not attempt to delete IExplorer.

   I didn't.

 CA> I think
 CA> you install over the top of it? My experiences trying to get
 CA> rid of IEx were not good and I recall DUN is similar. If you
 CA> don't remove it exactly as Microsoft tells you to it's a mess
 CA> and you usually have to reinstall the OS to fix it.

Went smoothly and Explorer 6 loads the problem page just fine.
Just under 21.200KB in an hour and 10 minutes.

 CA> Could be. The browsers I have had encryption set to autodetect
 CA> and turn on/off automatically.

 Same here and now with IE Version 6.0

 CA> I've never really needed it but
 CA> I do see it turn on/off occassionally like for hotmail and
 CA> others. I'm not that paranoid that I care if anyone snoops and
 CA> I don't buy stuff online. I did make certain I got the Netscape
 CA> with 128 bit encryption though just in case I needed it some
 CA> day. :-)

Have you Zone Labs Zone alarm installed, very informative
about attacks on ports.


 CA>> At least one or two of the links at the BasicLinux webpage
 CA>> at

 WC> I'll look into that, CD's are cheap.

 CA>> I pay $15 per month with no server access. It's excessive
 CA>> but convenient for me. Saving $5 a month won't help me a
 CA>> great deal and I have access to several servers already.

 WC>> I _never_ blew up a bottle... yet (g)

 CA>> You shouldn't have told me that. Now I'm thinking how
 CA>> enjoyable cleaning _that_ up would be. :-\

 WC> Look here, you count the bubbles per minute escaping the
 WC> gas trap that excludes oxygen and when it's about right you
 WC> take something that looks like an aquarium thermometer but
 WC> in fact is a hydrometer. You drop the hydrometer into the
 WC> ferment with a spin to loose clinking bubble so as to not
 WC> throw off the reading, check the reading than bottle if
 WC> it's correct. I brewed a few hundred bottles and never
 WC> busted one.

 CA> OK, I believe you.

 WC> OTOH my parents regularly blew up bottles making homemade
 WC> rootbeer.

 CA> See? Now you go and do it _again_!

 Parents never used a hydrometer whose purpose it is to measure
 specific gravity in the first place.
 Anyway mine will all be stored until ready in the same large plastic
 closed storage unit unit I'll use to clean and sanitize the bottles
 so no big deal.  A box to hold 58 bottles can be had at Home Depot
 for about three dollars.

 WC> Come to think of it that rootbeer must have been very
 WC> mildly alcoholic to carbonate in the bottles.

 CA> Maybe that's why it is called root-BEER? ;-)
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