From: "Mark" 


"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> It's the wrong war but not everyone that is saying that thinks we can pull
> out now. Heck I've heard some ultra-conservatives try to use the excuse
> that since there is a civil war in Iraq that the situation can justify a
> pullout.

One of my biggest disappointments in this whole endeavor, has been the
penchant of the "neo-cons" and conservatives of all stripes to go
"wobbly" about twice a year, they just don't seem to have the
"stones" they pretend to have. They are truly way too influenced
by the MSM that they claim to disdain. Kristol is one of the most feckless
of the bunch, though others are close behind.


> I don't think we can easily pullout. I also suspect that their are years
> of pain and suffering ahead due to the incompetence of this administration
> in dealing with the aftermath of 'victory' in Iraq.

See Rich these are old arguments, I have no idea if 500,000 troops would
have been better, but I know that that is not automatically better just
because Bush didn't do it their way.

>The delusional attitude that groups that hate each other would rush to
>democracy and everything would be happy happy boggles the mind.

No one thought, nor implied that it would be easy. But I'm quite sure you
overstate the "groups that hate each other" conventional wisdom.
There is substantial Sunni/Shia intermarriage in Iraq. IOW the average
citizens don't have this hatred, it is the extremists that do and they are
in a distinct, though violent, minority.

> We didn't have enough troops nor was there a viable plan for them create a
> 'new' Iraq. No we shouldn't pull out but someone on high needs to be fired
> for incompetence of an previously unimaginable level

Just because a bunch of Libs constantly parrot "there was no
plan" doesn't make it true. Were there, are there, will there be,
mistakes made? Darn tootin' always are, always will be. Just because the
Monday morning quarterbacks say they would have done it better, doesn't
make it true.


> Dang Mark it looks like 67% of Americans now feel we can't stop this
> non-existant civil war from breaking out in Iraq

Americans are still easily bamboozled and "pushed" around by
"designer" polls, designed to get the results desired 

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