-=> ROY J. TELLASON wrote to WAYNE CHIRNSIDE <=-

 RJT> I used to be on top of this technology,  but not lately,  the stuff
 RJT> just keeps on changing and I haven't kept up.

 Same here but being on the net I can research.

 WC> If I was younger with better eyesight and the comfidence in my
 WC> abilities I once had I'd cut the refresh line and put a clock
 WC> doubler between it and the DRAM banks and buy the PC133's.

 RJT> I don't think I'd care to get that ambitious myself.  

 It's a one CMOS chip solution, just rig a _D_ata gate, 4013
 comes to mind, to output a pulse on both leading and trailing
 edges of the input pulse. At that you've got a gate left over.

 WC> I don't think it's access but higher density DRAM caps requiring
 WC> higher refresh rate of those smaller caps.  If the MB doesn't
 WC> support that refresh rate...

 RJT> Yeah,  I can see your point there.  Whatever the reason,  what it comes
 RJT> down to is that it ain't gonna work.

They're working on new microlithography techniques using far ultraviolet
LASER's to make chips now so terrahertz processors and RAM memory
in the tens of gigabytes will be available in about two years!

 I just got another thing added to my things to do list, buy
 antivirus software :-(
 Haven't figured out how to completely block trojans and viruses
 on the 98 box while I've managed it quite nicely on
 the Windows 3.1 box without antivirus software.

 RJT> Sure sounds like you're having fun at least,  and good luck with your
 RJT> acquisitions.

I'm frequently overextending myself and changing ISP's and buying
antivirus software is going to eat this months discretionary funds.
Oh yeah found out what that oddly named slot was neither of us
had heard of, name escapes, it's an interface for a UPS
so your UPS alerts the computer to shutdown properly
when the power goes out. The H.P. has one.
STILL haven't ID'ed the USB port revision though.

 RJT> I'm doing so-so,  and can't complain too much as at
 RJT> least I didn't go out and *buy* most of the stuff that's here.  About
 RJT> the only thing I've really had much of a problem with lately is that
 RJT> sound card going *bad* on me.

That sucks. Got 2 PCI and 1 ISA Sound cards here.
So far my loses from failure over the years are 2 floppy drives,
one motherboard, three momitors and two hard drives the latter
two of these items suffering unnatural deaths.
I killed a 230 Meg. drive swapping it when my elbow touched the
monitor screen and me and the ex-girlfriend killed a 2.5 Gig drive
when I loosed the scissors from her hands with which she'd first tried
to stab herself and than me on the nearest available object,
the running computer :-( That one was still in warantee but I
couldn't avail myself as under the circumstances it would
have been unscrupulous to do so.

 WC>  Omly problem with the Paviliom 433 is I've no tools to examine the
 WC> hard drive and check and eliminate any hidden system files at the
 WC> end of the drive to repartitian with FIPS without worry so as to
 WC> install Linux.

 RJT> I still think you oughta be able to snag a reasonable used HD out there
 RJT> without having to spend much,  maybe a gig or so...

 I'm not touching anything under 40 Gig.
 Was one on sale locally for 66 bucks and was going to snag it
 but when I checked it was out of stock.

 WC> Guess I'll wait until I get CDR backup or start from scratch on a
 WC> clean fresh drive splitting the first partition to the same size
 WC> as the Quantum drive, xcopying over everything and than hacking up
 WC> the rest of the drive for Linux.

 RJT> Or boot linux from a floppy (got tomsrtbt handy?) and use dd,  instead.

Close as an internet logon. What's dd?


RE: Plug and play

 RJT> It seems to work better with PCI hardware,  though for some reason I
 RJT> can't quite figure out the one PCI soundcard I have here is refusing to
 RJT> come up with an interrupt for the system to work with.

Perhaps a conflict with a another device?
When I swapped the drive into the older NEC box it not only recognized
the PCI sound card and modem but also setup and configured
the external hardware modem and ISA Sound card as well!

 RJT> Probably oughta
 RJT> just find that 500M w98 drive I have,  plug that into the system w/o
 RJT> linux being hooked up,  and see if that won't initialize it,  but
 RJT> that's a last resort,

It's a quick diagnostic method, I'm beginning to figure out 98
and have found some of the tools that ID hardware and let you
know if there are conflicts.

 RJT> I'm enjoying the challenge of finding out how
 RJT> things work and maybe getting it going without doing that.  At this
 RJT> point I'm able to see (and maybe set?) all sorts of configuration
 RJT> registers,  stuff like that.  I'll get there with it...

I'm down for a few days, overdid yesterday.
On top of that I may switch to the secured Win 3.1 machine
until I get some antivirus software here on 98, never needed it
before I _upgraded_.

 WC> 12 days and I order a new 1/2 price ISP, cancel Verizon and than it
 WC> becomes upgrade time for both machines with me torn between getting
 WC> the CD burner or large drive first.

 RJT> I'd get the drive first.    But that's just me...

Well it's get the antivirus software and ISP first or
antivirus and hard drive but every month on Verizon is
costing me twice the other ISP.
Then too is the RAM that Jim Holsonback has finally convinced me that
PC133's will work in this machine contrary to what I say to Charles
prior to receiving e-mail from Jim H.
Just found "PC SDRAM Unbuffered Specification
revision 1.0 in the manual regarding memory so I guess I'll
plug that into google and see what that reveals if anything.

 WC> THan there's a UPS to figure in too, going to get an oversize one
 WC> so it won't be stressed and I'll be able to parallel in some
 WC> outboard deep discharge batteries.

 RJT> That's what I'd like to get going here.

Don't forget to get a hefty bridge rectifier to isolate the
outboard battery as I plan to do to protect the charging circuits.
As I've already a heavy duty charging transformer here it'll
be no problem to charge separately. Pulling 20 amps I
should get a couple of hours out of a deep discharge battery don't
you think? There's a huge battery warehouse quite near me
that stocks most everything at  about the best price you could expect.

 WC> I've about 10 items in quick start amd 73 percent available
 WC> resources, to date the lowest figure I've seen and it runs well.

 RJT> I don't keep *anything* there.  Only icon that shows up in the taskbar
 RJT> in the 98 box here is the little speaker,  for the volume control.

I _am_ planning on removing a number of them and have RTFM on
how to do so but it's not a pressing issue at the moment.
On a completely unrelasted matter I saw on the news last night this
really incredible spinal procedure for those with my sort of
incapacitating spinal injuries.
Doctors have discovered an enzyme they soak into a sponge
and place in the proper spot on the spinal column
and it regrows discs or bone, not precise on the details
as it was just the evening news and not very well reported
but this sounds spectacular and perhaps relatively cheap.

 WC> This Windows XP bodes very well for you and I as well as others
 WC> snagging good solid machines at rock bottom prices :-)

 RJT> Yeah.  :-)

 You know I'm getting a little spooked by these plugins
 that install on the fly and shockwave activating
 and streaming MP3  suddenly coming out of my speakers never
 even having left the web site, Charles Angelich's, that I
 was on.
 
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