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echo: philos
to: MARK BLOSS
from: WILLIAM ELLIOT
date: 1998-03-03 08:54:00
subject: `Existence Exists`

 >>> Mark Bloss on "Existence Exists" 
 WE> An omniscient being is just a know it all.  That's the only thing it
 WE> can do.  Are sure you don't mean omnipotent beings that can do
 WE> unimaginably numerous things? 
 MB> 
 MB> Sure; and since they know infinite things, then whatever they do
 MB> would be just precisely what is needed, when its needed, as its
 MB> needed. 
Not necessarily.  An omniscient being could also be an impotent being.  Some 
lazy bother that could always tell you the right thing to do but never lift a 
figure to help.
 MB> Oh yeah!  Well, I just left 4 zeros off my number - it was a typo -
 MB> I meant 100^100000, so there! Nyah nyah Na nyah nyah... pfft.
Larger than a googol but but much much smaller than a googolplex.  So until 
you can out do the dictionary, I will wait before topping your puny 
enumerations
 
 WE> There's a proof that there are no uninteresting integers.  Can you
 WE> prove that there are no boring attributes of an omnipotent being? 
 MB> I suppose.  You tell me your proof and I'll tell you mine... ;-)
Boredom is an boring attribute.  Now if there was an uninteresting integer, 
there would be a smallest uninteresting integer.  It would be of some 
interest to discover the this first uninteresting number.
 
 MB> Sure there is - but there are differences between some integers and
 MB> other integers, and differences between one deity and another - so
 MB> obviously there has to be _some_ differences between integers and
 MB> deities too. 
Indeed, integers are very orderly, the smaller coming before the larger.  As 
for deities, they squabble about who should come before whom.
 MB> Okay, you can always add one deity to any previous deity, to create a
 MB> new deity, regardless of how many deities there are already.
If you dare, you'll get the eternal wrath of a googol of perplex theists. -)
 MB> Actually, any sufficiently large number is indistinguishable from
 MB> any other sufficiently large number - because our brains are finite.
How big is sufficiently large?  Inaccessible cardinal numbers are infinite 
numbers so large that no formulas are possible to describe them.  It's 
dubious that any exist yet there can never be any proof to show that.
 
 WE> It's a googol.  A googolplex is very much much larger.  Look in a
 WE> dictionary to find out how much larger.  What to bet any number that
 WE> you can imagine, I can conjure a larger.  I raise you a googolplex. -) 
 MB> Gee, I don't know if we have enough space in fidonet to post it.  ;)
A googolplex is 10^googol or 10^10^100 or more clearly 10^(10^100)
The rather small (10^10)^100 is much closer to a googol than a googolplex.  
So there, it's been posted. -)
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