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Hi, Ardith Hinton! I read your message from 29.01.2019 00:24 AK>> For instance, a teacher asks this question of an unknown boy in AK>> the school. Should he ask "what is your second name?" AH> Speaking as a teacher: Unless the school was very small I'd need to AH> know more than the first name to distinguish one kid from AH> another... especially if their parents chose it during a spate of AH> increasing trendiness. When one of my former students rushes up to AH> me enthusiastically & says "Hi... I'm Cathy (or Debbie, or whatever AH> name +/- half my female students had back then)... remember me??" I AH> must confess I probably won't unless they give me a few more clues. AH> As a teacher & as a parent I also understand that the school has to AH> use a person's legal name on all official records, and there is a AH> lot of paperwork involved in establishing that everybody is who AH> they say they are. If Molly's legal name is Molly Moon the school AH> has no authority to change it without documentation which her new AH> parents can't supply unless they've formally adopted her. But I AH> gather Molly is new to this school & hasn't voiced her concerns to AH> the staff. That girl had authority - she could hypnotize all the world ;-). In that example "name" was used as a full name. Although, the author could easily use "surname" etc. AH> Depending on the age of your unknown boy, I would be inclined to AH> say "family name" or "surname" rather than "second name". What about "last name"? Is it better than "second name"? AH> Around these parts it is more common than not for people to have AH> two or more given names... and I'm told they may not appear in the AH> order we're used to, relative to the family name, if the individual AH> in question has just arrived from China or SomePlace Else & does AH> not as yet know how to translate their given name into something AH> which those of us who don't speak their lingo will remember &/or AH> think we understand. There's another possible complication too, if AH> the teacher doesn't know a boy's previous history. I can't say for AH> sure whether you'd automatically identify yourself as "Koryagin" AH> nowadays, if you'd spent the last umpteen years in a British AH> private school, because I don't move in those circles. But I see AH> plenty of evidence in the works of various authors that the AH> tradition lasted for a long time.... Let's take, for the instance, an excerpt from my old translation -- we see a boyscout council with a strict head teacher sitting at the head of the table. -----Beginning of the citation----- .... There was no time to hesitate. Slavka quickly stood up. "I am against!" Of course everybody turned around, and Elisaveta Dmitrievna said discontentedly: "It seems to me that you aren't a council member, and, as far as I know, you are a newcomer!" "You are not a council member either," said Slavka calmly. "Ah, what an impudence! What's your last name?" "I am Semibratov," said Slavka ----- The end of the citation ----- So, could she ask him "what's your name?" Bye, Ardith! Alexander Koryagin english_tutor 2019 ---* Origin: ** nntps://fidonews.mine.nu ** Finland ** (2:221/6.0) SEEN-BY: 203/0 221/0 6 360 280/5003 320/219 460/58 633/267 640/1384 712/132 SEEN-BY: 712/620 848 770/1 3634/12 @PATH: 221/6 0 640/1384 712/848 633/267 |
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