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echo: fidopols
to: Phil Simpson
from: Bob Short
date: 2003-03-17 11:30:00
subject: Re: 8.1 Initiation

PS>  BS> It would seen as dead-ended as the proposal itself, by the looks of
PS>  BS> things.  :(

PS> Myself and others told you as much when it was first envisioned. I don't b
PS> you for trying, human nature dictates that those in power will not /willin
PS> give up such power. It's a hard lesson to learn, join the crowd, some of u
PS> learned this lesson long ago in Fidonet.  :( 

I see a differnt set of values in the current structure.  There's a
bigger problem in acheiving our goals than power mongering... lack of
communication.  Even Ward has stated that few within his zone have
responded.  Language barriers and unresponsive *C don't help matters.

PS> Don't forget Ward is at the top of the power chain. He fought hard and lon
PS> get to his position, as evidenced by his constant attacks on Satti to get 
PS> there years ago. He not going to seriously take a step in the direction of
PS> giving /his/ power to the sysops, he fought to get it and won't willingly 
PS> it up. Human nature, unfortunately for many of the Fidonet sysop.

There's little in our proposal to threaten the *C's power.  If they see
such, it's likely due to constant statements like yours.    That's
not a dis, mind you... just a reality.  You use vinegar and I use sugar.
Who do you think will draw more ants?  ;-)

PS> Some things will never change, even if they should.  :(

We've said this before to:  If you (collectively) would stop gnashing
your teeth and began working WITH, instead of AGAINST us, we might 
actually reach common goals.

Bob

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