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 -=> Quoting John Warner to Paul Andinach <=-
 
 JW> Remember We'r Only been into Space for less then 40 years other
 JW> Aliens Races have been doing this for 100000s of Years..
 
 PA> How do you know? Told you, did they? Do you have it in writing?
 
 JW> No! but tell me the chances or Odds. that i am wrong!
 JW> there are billions of Stars and The same must apply to Planets
 JW> and if the Universe is Over 100000s of Years old. then dont you think
 JW> one race or another is visiting this planet.
 PA> Your argument:
 PA> There are billions of stars.
 PA> Therefore, there are billions of planets.
 PA> The universe is over hundreds of thousands of years old.
 PA> Therefore, alien races have been into space for hundreds of
 PA> thousands of years.
 PA> Therefore, at least one alien race is visiting this planet.
 PA> There's so many holes in that argument that I'm not even going to
 PA> try to answer it.
 
 JW> if the Reports of 1000s of people been Abducted by aliens are
 JW> True and i do think they are, as they all can not be Crackpots!
If there are no legitimate claims established by reports that there is
a possibility that aliens might be visiting us with superior technology,
then this would substantiate a beleif that they do not possibly exist.
The main argument is that they might possibly exist, not that they do in
fact exist. The reports indicate that there is a possibility.
 PA> Your argument:
 PA> Either abduction reports are true, or all abductees are crackpots.
 PA> Abductees can not all be crackpots.
 PA> Therefore, abduction reports are true.
I don't think that is what he meant, and I'm sure that you don't think so
either, and have an open mind yourself as to the possibilities.
 PA> My response:
 PA> The fault in that argument is that this is not an either/or
 PA> situation. Some of the stories could be true, and the rest false. Of
 PA> those that are false, some people could be crazy, some could be lying
 PA> outright, and some could just have been honestly mistaken.
 
What about those who *possibly* saw something, or experienced something
which was in actual fact happening and was in all respects reality?
Why do you discount that possibility? What would the point be of so many
people consistently lying as you suggest?
 JW> Granted they are some out there the BullDust about seeing aliens
 JW> but if just 1 out of 9999% is it real. then you must be among whole
 JW> lot of Crazy people and you better move to a uncharted island as your
 JW> among Millions that think aliens are real   now be real here!
 PA> I didn't understand a word of that. No, tell a lie, I understood
 PA> most of the words (except 9999%, whatever that is), it's just the
 PA> order they're in that I'm having trouble with.
 PA> Try to state your position more clearly, please.
 
 JW> There is something going on inside close doors at the pentagon and at
 JW> Area-51. or even closer to home at Pine gape..
 PA> Quite likely. But why should it have anything to do with aliens?
 
 JW> why the Coverups! and Lies...
 PA> Just so we know what we're talking about, which particular coverups
 PA> and lies are you referring to?
 
 JW> the lies about roswell, by the US Millatry and lets face it they
 JW> lied for 50 years about what realy happen there. Dummies my
 JW> Butt!. the wittnesses saw Aliens not Dummies.
 PA> How do you know?
 PA> Unless you were there as well, you have no way of knowing that they
 PA> haven't lied about seeing aliens.
 PA> Even if they're telling what they believe to be the truth, none of
 PA> them wrote down what they saw or made a statement at the time. All
 PA> first told their stories decades later, when their memories were - to
 PA> be honest - not as reliable as could be hoped.
 
 JW> dont you think if you or I where there. would we not know what a
 JW> Dummies looked like Even in 1947.
 PA> Yes.
 PA> But if we didn't see dummies, would we keep quiet for twenty years
 PA> before telling someone?
 PA> And if we did see dummies, would we still remember clearly that
 PA> they were dummies twenty years later?
 
  The entire argument here is pointless and would get one nowhere! The
reports or ideas, that there has been a cover up at Roswell are interesting
things to know, and as such represent not one shred of real evidence,
but at the same time the reports are at least consistent with a
conspiracy theory, if a conspiracy does in fact exist.
It at least, in the lowest level of understanding, causes us to reflect
on the possibility that it might be true are at least part of a bigger
picture which is not completely revealed to us at this time.
You tend to forget that there are people out there (such as myself) who
have had at sometime in the past a sighting experience, contact, or abduction
, and that they beleive that such things do in fact happen, and that there
is substantial evidence which to them remains as part of the mystery.
I find it most amuzing when I read skeptical comments, as my particular
contact was at that time particularly concerned with the reasons why
we humans would not accept the possibility that they existed.
Look at it this way. If we acheived the ability to find and discover another
planet out there in space, which in fact did harbour intelligent life
if not exactly the same but at the same level of advancement as we in the
1940's, then what would our reaction be to them not acknowledging that
we existed? This would assume that we would have acheived the ability to be
able to monitor their broadcasts and news reports.
What attempts would we then make to try to reveal ourselves, assuming
that we were not equiped with weapons systems to defend ourselves, only
our ability to outpace whatever craft they had developed?
How would we convince them that we only wanted peacefull negotiations
and contacts, if they suddenly attacked our ships whenever we attempted
to show ourselves? Starting a war with them would be against every basic
principle, and be completely destructive to what could and would be
accomplished if we were able to establish peaceful co-existence, would
it not?
We must look at the diplomatic aspects of such a situation possibly
happening, unless they directly attack our defences and become a threat
to us.
More important than actually proving that they do exist, then is the
possibility that they might exist and for us to have the intelligence
and awareness that this probability might someday be the truth and
something that we will have to deal with in an intelligent and sane manner.
That should be the lesson that the last few years of wild speculative
fantasy has taught us.
We cannot continue to expect that we are the only life existing in the
universe. This type of isolationism will get us nowhere, and could even
prove detrimental to serious research and investigation.
Serious scientific research does not have room for wild speculative
thinking, but an imaginative approach has been proven to work at times.
A closed mind approach will get things nowhere.
James Root
... If you're not confused, you're not paying attention.
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