JL> I'll bet you probably think also that people who
JL> don't work deserve to have no money and starve,

RS> Welp, some countrys choose to do it that way,
RS> and they dont starve. Singapore for example.

JL> So people in Singapore who don't work, don't
JL> recieve benefits etc bludge off there families?

Yes, basically. People also have very significant levels
of savings to use in those situations between jobs too.

JL> Are you including the thousands living in the slums?

There aint too many slums in Singapore anymore.

JL> i can tell you now that you wouldn't survive.

RS> Now try explaining why it works in some countrys. The reason why is rather
RS> obvious, they try harder, bludge off their family, etc etc etc instead.

JL> What exactly is your argument?

That your claims about 'you wont survive' are crap. They survive. Dont starve.

JL> Mine is that people who live off social security aren't always 'bludgers',

Pity you didnt actually say anything remotely like that till now.
No one has ever claimed that everyone on the dole is choosing to
bludge. No one would be silly enough to claim that none do tho.

JL> and his (David) was that they should either get off
JL> their butts and work and not waste tax payers money ..

He was essentially saying that he thought a particular person wasnt
trying hard enough to find work, was choosing to do less than he could.

JL> Which are you siding with??

I go even further, I think people should make adequate provision for
the inevitable times between jobs when they are working, so they can
look after themselves when they are between jobs and not put their hands
out for the dole. In some cases, say with two people working, it may well
be adequate to just live on one wage while one is between jobs. When there
is only one income in the family, you clearly need to do more as far as
saving for that time between jobs instead, or say be prepared to do casual
work while looking for another full time job etc etc etc.

And certainly keep an eye on whats happening out there in the job market
and ensure that you are well qualified for looking for a job for the
times when you lose the current one, not just doze at the controls and
then moan about having no qualifications when your job inevitably stops.

JL> You say some countries survive without
JL> benefits by bludging off their families.

Well, its hard call it bludging in that case, say a family which has
more than one income and it survives on one when one is between jobs.
And its certainly not bludging if you use your savings between jobs.

JL> But then, they grow up in a different society and see what can
JL> happen if they don't work hard, people in Australia for example don't
JL> think about these consequenses and aren't exposed to these things,

Plenty do Jahmai.

JL> and unfortunately when it comes to the crunch they aren't qualified

They should have thought about that stuff while still in
school, or while in a job. I know plenty of people who werent
that keen on the job they were in, who deliberately improved their
qualifications so they had more choice on jobs. Happens all the time.

JL> or motivated enough to get a job.

And a HELL of a lot find that what we choose to pay those on the dole
provides an adequate lifestyle and they dont really want a job at all.

JL> Others are redundancies or company mergers which
JL> leave hundreds of workers out on the street,

They should have noticed that thats been happening for ages now Jahmai.

JL> and it would be very hard to adapt straight away to a new kind of work,

Sure, it requires some adjustment. Soorree, not interested in
paying them the dole to watch the daytime soaps on TV instead.

JL> not that they don't try.

Heaps done, they CHOOSE to bludge on welfare. Soorree, we aint paying.

JL> Of course there are the slight minority whom would rather sit
JL> around the house and do nothing than earn real money and work.

I think you might just find it aint really a 'slight minority'

JL> But this is my point, not everyone deserves to be forced to
JL> leave their house and go live of their family or whatsoever.

Sure, they are welcome make adequate provision for the time
between jobs while they are working instead if they want.
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