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to: Robert Sayre
from: Charles Angelich
date: 2003-02-25 03:08:04
subject: IBM and Itanium

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Hello Robert - 

CA>> We are already experiencing a lower standard of living but
CA>> everyone is in denial and unable to see it. 

RS> Agreed. 

CA>> You may not have heard about the steel company that wants
CA>> to be released from it's promise to supply medical
CA>> coverage for it's retirees? Ugly business that. 

RS> That's one reason that we need courts. 

CA>> I've never proposed a worker's paradise but access to
CA>> medical care (at a minimum relief from pain and suffering)
CA>> and a right to a certain amount of dignity and safety in
CA>> the workplace aren't unreasonable 'requests'. If the
CA>> request doesn't work there is always another "Bloody
CA>> Revolution" as the one in France was to solve the
CA>> 'problem'. ;-) 

RS> I agree with what you've said, I just don't believe that
RS> it's up to the government to do it. 

RS> In fact, I believe that regardless how well intentioned,
RS> government involvement always ends up making things worse
RS> for citizens in the end. 

RS> Instead, this what I envision labor (and other) unions to
RS> be for. 

What you aren't seeing is that gov is a 'ruling body' and you
would substitute lesser 'ruling bodies' for gov. The only
change would be each smaller grouping would have less leverage
to negotiate with. Your change is almost no change if you
consider how labor unions function.  This would be comparable
to saying that each state of the USA could benefit from secession
and declaring themselves separate countries (as Texas frequently
threatens to do). :-)

RS> The court system is to settle "disagreements" over signed
RS> contracts. 

_Getting_ a signed contract is the speed bump that has cost
people their lives in the process. There were many deaths
attempting to get those 'contracts' at the start.  btw: Only
20% of the workforce belongs to any type of union in the USA.
The majority being in the North and NE where I am now. :-)

RS> Medical care would be MUCH less expensive if the government
RS> was not directly involved. 

Pharmaceutical companies are constantly being caught arranging
price-fixing not just here but in other developed countries.
Doctors who max out at $250K per year will leave Canada for the
USA in a hearbeat. Doctors are not priests or monks. I see no
reason to believe they would give back the money and lower
prices anymore than any other worker would reduce his/her take
home pay for some stranger's benefit. 

I saw a documentary once about the poor in Japan.  The Yakuza
(Japanese Organized Crime) believe themselves to be decendents
of the Samurai and to demonstrate this the Yakuza arrive early
each morning to negotiate a 'fair' wage for the day-laborers who
are picked up and dropped back off each day.  A sad commentary
that only criminals care about the poor but without the Yakuza
who would defend them?  ANS: No one.

Our government is not much different.  Also sad.  Maybe we need
the Yakuza? ;-)

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