From: John Cuccia 

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:11:18 +0100, Adam
<""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near the
bridge"> wrote:

>But you :
>
>A) Have to state what to "win" is. i.e. is a democracy with a populace
>hostile to the US & friendly with "Anti-Israel forces" a win?

From the standpoint of the current Administration, that would be a huge
loss.  The depressing part of that (likely) result is that it seems to have
been unforseen by the people behind the invasion.

>i.e. wrt Palestinian democracy you still appear to wish to pick the
>winners which ain't really democracy.

You mean that there isn't really an American inside of every Arab, just
waiting for an opportunity to emerge?

>B) Have to mentally see the pulling down of the flag & the blowing of
>bugles & mil types boarding ships/aircraft.

I don't think the Bush people can see that,  unless they also see a
faux-American colony being left behind.

>For an administration that used to set such store in "clarity" I see
>little "clarity".

What they call "clarity" is a grossly ovesimplified (and
therefore grossly unrealistic) worldview.  It appears that W's came from
Saturday morning Westerns on TV, given that his personal  maturation
process apparently stopped sometime during his adolesence.

I don't know what excuse his advisors had, except blinding arrogance.

>> The fact it that the architects of the invasion, in their arrogance
>> and ignorace,  had no idea what they were getting us into.
>>
>
>They were repeatedly informed by well informed people so they can not
>claim the defence of ignorance. Unless you count "ignoring your way into
>ignorance".

Yes, willful ignorance is exactly right.

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