++> Inspired by comments from Frank Masingill to Day Brown
 ++> on evolution
 
 DB> So it is that we here argue about it all, all the while seeing it as an
 DB> exercise in futility to try to expand the awareness of those who try to
 DB> bring their faith to everyone... who also fail to see the futility of
 DB> -that- effort.  Still, it is fun. ;)
 
 FM> Well, perhaps it is, Day.  Certainly we do not experience
 FM> self-wounding by philosophizing or else we probably wouldn't
 FM> do it.  I happen to think that it is quintessential in the
 FM> respect of ordering human political life because it makes a
 FM> difference, so far as I can see whether such is ordered IN
 FM> attunement with the reality that IS apperceived even though
 FM> some deliberately refuse to apperceive what they DO apperceive.
 
     Some minds are captured and sculpted into obsession. Whether
     such "caught-in-the-net" is natural to some, having the hunger
     even before the idea is presented, or not, is a question not
     unlike why some who try drugs become addicted and others don't.
     I believe that many have an addiction for *hard belief* and
     when they fall, it is heavy and NOT subject to reason. There
     are others at other extremes and many in middles.      As we
     look at our world through history, reasonable persuasion seems
     not to have been a complete solution to disagreement, at least
     before acquiring someone's attention with a 2x4!. The question
     is: how do you treat obsession/addiction. It is not one of
     mankind's great successes.
 
 FM> As you have seen exampled just recently, it CAN be a deadly
 FM> sport because those who claim a right to be basically ignorant
 FM> ignore all existential appeal to rational debate and begin the
 FM> most vulgar name-calling - desiring, by this means, to end the
 FM> debate as the "winner."  For such types, one only HOPES they
 FM> will go away.  I've had a few of them "stalk" me for weeks
 FM> attempting to push their sermons, secular or religious on me.
 
     Yes, obsessive behavior is very hard to deal with and can
     even infect others with latent obsessive leanings. MOVEMENTS,
     religious or political know of this hungry weakness in any
     population and are clever-quick to absorb and exploit it. The
     interesting thing is that it can often present hard and heavy
     logic, incapable of seeing its own flaws ....as is oft illustrated
     on this echo. As it has been with us since the beginning, we can
     only assume that such behaviors "fit in"  with Nature's long term
     agenda.
 
 
 
 FM> Humility SHOULD teach us that philosophy is directed toward
 FM> the same goal as the genuine myth.   At least that is how I
 FM> see it.
 
     The question of myth as itself a leader and fountain of
     the human experience seems unsimple as you would have
     it a phantom cat-eye in a darkness.  When you use the term
     "myth" it seems often meant to mean more than its literal
     meanings, almost a private sense of knowings that reach out
     from a cavern on another side of time ....perhaps even from
     another side of logic.  That _IT-just-IS_; and translating
     its split functions meant both to guide *AND* be intellectually
     understood, does hide between your lines.  You would have
     this known without having to say it ...or perhaps I read a
     bit more than is there ........? Your mind and "myth-world"
     have negotiated an understanding that you present in many
     ways across your postings .......some I grasp and some that
     I think pass me by..............
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     Yes! The mind can also be addictive! ..._/0.o >_ ... Dave
     ...and addiction may even be evolutionary  >>
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