> BK>always agree with it.. especially when it went into the TNG
> BK>phase.. and after 10 years in TV.. I'm well aware of
> BK>keeping the "personalities" as a seperate issue. ;)
 
> My particular personality sometimes requires seperation from the
> things I talk about...
 
ROFLMAO! Well I could have fun with this considering all the things that went 
through my mind.. but.. well.. ;) 
 
 
> BK>Part of the problem.. you see when a writer puts together a
> BK>script with a good idea.. they need to use various
> BK>scripting devices to put forth that idea and NOT leave it
> BK>to the director to "interprete" the concept.
 
> I'm sorry I still don't understand this.
 
OK, an example: Star Wars.
 
Now if Lucas had written the script in the style that is currently in use at 
the franchise.. everything except dialog would be left out, including camera 
set ups, etc. Then the script would have been turned over to the various 
production staff (not including Lucas, depending), and the staff would run 
with it as *they* interpreted the script without any notes from the writer.
Then you have the director also interpreting Lucas' ideas. 
 
Could you immagine how different Star wars would have turned out?
 
 
> BK>In other words.. *IF* I had an action/adventure script..
> BK>part of which included notes for the director or the CGI
> BK>folks.... it wouldn't work the
> BK>way they're doing things.
 
> I don't understand *this* either.  True a certain amount of the
> look and feel of the episode are dreamed up the by the Director and the
> Special Effects people.
 
If I think the actors should deal with a scene as the writer, I surrender any 
input on this basis since I wouldn't be able to set up the scene in the 
script. If I as the author felt a certain scene (SFX) should be put together 
in a certain way in keeping with *my* vision of the episode as a part of the 
script.. I can't do that. In toher words... If I want the Voyager to do 
something specific as part of the script, I can't say so. 
 
> BK>You misunderstand..  TOS WAS the great spark of TREK for many of us..
> BK>created that hard core fan group that allowed TMP and later
> BK>movies, it allowed for TNG.. it allowed for the franchise.
> BK>More then that.. it allowed for all the Sci-fi that came
> BK>after.. Trek was in a sense.. the grandfather of much of
> BK>what followed over the years including Star Wars, Alien(s),
> BK>etc etc.
 
> I am not an original fan  (I became a hard core trekkie during
> TMP) but I watched the TOS avidly  (One of my first memories is the
> scene in "By Any Other Name" when you see the Enterpise heading for
> Andromeda)
 
> I will cheerfully concede the idea that TOS is the source and
> starting point.  I just don't think that cheesy set designs or motor
> oil Klingons are the core of what's valuable about it.
 
Like i said earlier.. could you immagine something like TOS with the current 
budgets and SFX? Whew! Ergo.. the staff of DS-9 has exhibiting some ability 
to re-create the flavor of a TOS style show.. it would be nice to see them 
seriously try and take that on.. perhaps based on Capt Sulu (with less over 
acting). Bring in Harve Bennett.. perhaps Nimoy to direct the premiere.
 
> BK>More then that.. it's an example of a show that worked.. if
> BK>only in the sense of the hard core viewer segment that
> BK>loved it so. It had writing (as much as practical for those
> BK>days and production values), it had chemistry, etc etc.
 
> BK>Sure it had flaws.. it was years before it's time if only
> BK>in production values for what they were trying. But could
> BK>you imagine something like a "TOS" type show with that kind
> BK>of writing and the current production values?
> BK>They solved things on a realistic basis without reverting to
> Treknobable! :)
 
> BK>Man what a concept! :)
 
> That's the writing.  That's the patern, the format of the story
> that one tells.
 
You're not clear here? Are you refering to Treknobable?
 
 
> BK>Besides.. I have a single love for the older class ships..
> BK>they were cruder, and the crew had to be more "ceative" in
> BK>the solutions to the weekly provlems.. :)
 
> I was just looking at my Trek References.  Let's compare and
> contrast  TOS and VOY here in episodes that seem similar in basic
> concept.  In TOS we have "The Corbomite Maneuver" and whatever that
> Voyager episode was with the long range transporting aliens.
> Same basic idea (Aliens menace the ship).  In TOS the alien was
> a threat hanging over the heads of the crew until they started to chew
> on each other.  In the end, the threat was revealed to be a single
> lone alien bluffing for all that he was worth. Kirk arranges for
> peaceful relations when most of us would have slapped the little
> so-and-so silly, but gets his revenge by ditching the loud, whiny
> crewmember with him.
 
> In VOY, they never actually told us *why* the aliens were
> menacing them.  Captain Janeway trapped them in a freezing terarium
>  and said "Hah! I got you!"  They had so many scenes of sneaking
> through both the Voyager and the alien ship and gun-fights that they
> didn't leave any room to tell us just why any of this was going on!
> "The Corbomite Maneuver"  I figure would be rejected as a
> Voyager episode for being too slow.  Not enough explosions, and Kirk
> doesn't punch or shoot a single person during the whole episode!
 
> I could go through a whole list of similar comparisons.
 
Yes, but then the Corbomite epsiode was writen for 60's viewers.. it could 
still have been done but on a level in keeping with the intellegence and 
sophistication of the 90's viewers... TNG was on occasion, but it didn't have 
the chemistry of TOS.   
 
 
> creator of Babylon 5).  He said that Jeri Taylor was a talented writer
> and producer, but that she was under certain restrictions from
> Paramount in regards to the types of stories she tells on Voyager.
 
Jeri Taylor has also outright insulted the "TREK" Fans/viewers. Not a good 
idea when they are your bread and butter. Ask Zorch about this one.  
 
> I'm paraphrasing, here and trying to edit out his opinion these
> restrictions.  I share this opinion, but the point I'm aiming at is
> where Taylor is restricted in terms of what sort of scripts she
> accepts and what sort of stories she tells.
 
Well JMS has his views as we all do... sometimes they don't come across as 
cleanly as they should. JMS is VERY biased towards the Trek universe.
 
 
 
                                      BK 
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