MH> Obviously the comments of someone who hasn't been
MH> forced to confront the reality of todays labour market.

RS> Or maybe the comments of someone who has noticed plenty getting jobs
RS> TODAY without any real problem. There has got to be a reason why some
RS> do and some dont Mick. Maybe those who dont should have a close look
RS> at whats different about those who do and do more of that themselves.

MH> Yeah, simple things like 800 applicants for 24 jobs at KFC
MH> in a town with 1800 18 - 25 year olds and 1100 out of work,

I think its just a TAD unlikely that those were the only jobs
that ever turned up in your town Mick. Yes, those particular
jobs may well be mostly suitable for kids working part time.

MH> how can anyone properly review That many applications, from
MH> my own, and friends experiences 15% replies to requests for
MH> written applications and less than 1% notifications of outcome,

Corse they cant, and when you get applications from clowns like
Price who cant even capitalise properly, into the bin it goes.

MH> How could anyone not be discouraged?

Corse you could try putting your brain into gear and recognising
that there are more jobs around than just those 24 too Mick.

And lets not forge the considerable numbers who choose to MOVE to
places like the Sunshine Coast, where there is a considerable shortage
of jobs for people like that, who basically just find that the standard
of living on the dole there suits them fine and are happy to bludge
for as long as we are silly enough to keep handing the money out.

You could also try getting off your bum and
qualifying for better jobs than a KFC droid too.

MH> I hear this every day, especially from retired people in my
MH> community, the standard response from business people in this
MH> town to the 40% of the workforce who pound the pathments in
MH> compliance with the requirements for the dole is a firm 'F**K OFF'.

RS> Yes, but there are STILL a VAST number of people starting new jobs.
RS> So if you aint one of those, you should consider why THEY managed to.

MH> The "world's qreatest treasurers policies made the cost
MH> of doing business prohibitive, shut down half the local
MH> economy to buy a few ratbag greeny votes and drove up the
MH> cost of providing jobs for the sake of a growing economy.

RS> He didnt actually, just rather comprehensively stuffed up the management
RS> of the economy, and quite a few businesses went down the tubes. There
RS> was also massive over manning in many areas like Telecom too.

MH> He didn't???????

Thats right, Treasury did actually. And even you have likely
noticed that we have pulled the plug on Keating anyway. And the
new crowd may very well not be too thrilled about people bludging
off the dole who arent actually interested in getting a job at all.

MH> A friend of my was all set to start work just before Christmas, got
MH> a phone call at 10 p.m. telling him the position had to be axed as the
MH> employer couldn't find the $60,000 needed for an unfair dimissal case
MH> if he decided to sack him for any reason, after a visit from the Union Rep.

True, that stuff was bonkers, and we are about to pull the plug on
that. Its a quite small part of what you were raving on about tho.

MH> What did I get out of this? I lost my job and my house and the
MH> stress contributed to dumping me on an Invalid Pension scrap heap.

RS> Or you chose to loll on welfare instead of actually getting off
RS> your bum and making yourself employable. A HELL of a lot do,

MH> Yeah, I scrounged for food and rent after spending my dole on
MH> travelling around the district, and used up at pile of phone
MH> cards phoning about jobs and calling several employment agencies
MH> just for the sake of having some thing to put on my dole form,

Shouldnt you have included a WAV file with sobbing violins or sumfin ?
If you cant manage your financial affairs, entirely YOUR problem Mick.

Maybe you arent worth employing, others are better. Fix that stuff.

MH> they actually used to check the contacts
MH> you listed at the local office of the CES.

Yes, there is are lot of people telling lies on their forms.

MH> The termites did manage to eat well at least,
MH> they ate the kitchen cupboards, then the floor.

If you didnt manage to get that stuff checked BEFORE you bought the house...

RS> its quite possible that what we are actually seeing with the
RS> minimums that the unemployment rate gets to thru the economic
RS> cycles increasing all the time is just more and more finding that
RS> welfare provides an acceptible standard of living that they are
RS> prepared to loll on for decades if we are silly enough to let them.

MH> Or it could be that the base rate keeps rising because
MH> technology is cutting out so many jobs with inadequate
MH> replacements as was predicted by the computer industry in
MH> the late 1960's, when I first started learning about computers,

Soorree, we KNOW that cant be true because the total number of people
IN work keeps increasing all the time. Yes, that stuff is certainly
happening, BUT the number of jobs keeps increasing even more anyway.

And we have already had that stuff before. At one time a country like
Australia would have had the bulk of people working in agriculture or
related industrys. Its now down to 2-3% of the workforce. We managed
to adjust ot that change anyway, without having 95% unemployed.

MH> Pity the Luddites of the union movement and Govt burried their heads in
MH> the sand and pretended the problems would never arise because they didn't
MH> like the idea of change. Rational planning at that time could have led to
MH> solutions / workarounds being in place and everybody gaining from automatio

Soorree, all that stuffs a complete wank. The current unemployment
rate has SFA to do with that. You might care to explain how the US
has an unemployment rate of only 5% if the problem is automation.

MH> Instead all the unions or government can come up with is
MH> to turn the country into a nation of waiters and bar staff,

Soorree, they amount to a tiny percentage of the total jobs.

MH> regardless of the lack of need for an extra million
MH> waiters, or suitability of many people for the jobs.

Oh sure, there are plenty of completely wanky 'training' schemes.
You should be getting off your arse and working out where the jobs
are todays economy, and making yourself employable in THOSE Mick.
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