From: "Robert Comer" 

> In terms of ensuring 'availability' operating on the leading edge of third
> party software clearly isn't advised...

No argument from me on that, but unfortunately that's just what we have
with desktop PC's. Of course it is a trade off mind you, and a good one at
that for all the good stuff we get out of them, but to pretend that we're
going to get 5 nines uptime out of them like Gene suggests is not reality.

> I don't think you have any reason to 'disagree'.  Especially given your
> suggestion to examine the XP/Memory leak problems documented by Microsoft.

Just experience with the language and the OS -- I can't think of any reason
to agree with you.

The examples of memory leaks were just for Gene since he thought they
aren't a problem any more.

The comment about C/C++ not being conducive to stopping all memory leaks is
from my own experience.  There are so many way to have memory leaks, and I
know it's not exclusive to C/C++. C/C++ is already way down the list of my
preferred languages for a lot of reasons anyway and I only use it when I'm
modifying other's source, never on new development.

- Bob Comer


"Paul Ranson"  wrote in message
news:401fc495$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
> news:401faa23$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> > Not just talking about servers here, user PC with the latest and
greatest
> > hardware (and the newest and least debugged drivers)
>
> In terms of ensuring 'availability' operating on the leading edge of third
> party software clearly isn't advised...
>
> > > It's also a little superficial to blame C/C++, while it's easy for
> novice
> > > programmers incorrectly taught to generate memory leaks this isn't
> what's
> > > happening in most cases. The subtle issues of system/app interaction,
> > > inter-system resource management and exception handling are universal
> > > problems.
> >
> > We disagree big time here...
>
> I don't think you have any reason to 'disagree'.  Especially given your
> suggestion to examine the XP/Memory leak problems documented by Microsoft.
>
> Paul
>
>

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