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to: Paul Ranson
from: Robert Comer
date: 2004-02-03 09:05:12
subject: Re: Jobs (or the lack thereof)

From: "Robert Comer" 

> I think it is a big stretch from the minor issues addressed by MS to the
> long term stability of a machine as a server (for instance).

Not just talking about servers here, user PC with the latest and greatest
hardware (and the newest and least debugged drivers)

> It's also a little superficial to blame C/C++, while it's easy for novice
> programmers incorrectly taught to generate memory leaks this isn't what's
> happening in most cases. The subtle issues of system/app interaction,
> inter-system resource management and exception handling are universal
> problems.

We disagree big time here...

- Bob Comer


"Paul Ranson"  wrote in message
news:401fa302{at}w3.nls.net...
> I think it is a big stretch from the minor issues addressed by MS to the
> long term stability of a machine as a server (for instance).
>
> For a small example a MiniITX based machine running W2K I was using for
> testing something I'm developing with Geo ran unmolested for over 60 days
> with no memory leaks in the system, no loss of performance, and with a lot
> of debugging and network activity going on.
>
> It's also a little superficial to blame C/C++, while it's easy for novice
> programmers incorrectly taught to generate memory leaks this isn't what's
> happening in most cases. The subtle issues of system/app interaction,
> inter-system resource management and exception handling are universal
> problems.
>
> FWIW it's very simple to leak memory in Java, for instance by passing
> something to a library for instance and not bothering to tell the library
> you're done with it.
>
> I expect that the best platform for developing reliable software might end
> up being C++ on .Net. I doubt it will become the most popular though.
>
> Paul
>
> "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
> news:401f70d6{at}w3.nls.net...
> > > Memory leaks and whatnot are not the problems now that they used to
be,
> > assuming
> > > those problems even exist with XP.
> >
> > You really ought to go to www.microsoft.com, search, and type in the
words
> > "memory leak windows xp" and then pick "More
Support & Troubleshooting
> > results ".....
> >
> > - Bob Comer  which
> > isn't very coducive to not having memory leaks>
> >
>
>

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