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echo: philos
to: MATT EGGLESTON
from: MARK BLOSS
date: 1998-02-28 09:23:00
subject: `Existence Exists`

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>Matt Eggleston wrote to Mark Bloss about "Existence Exists"
 MB> But _that_ is entirely beside the point, I assure you.  A universe
 MB> _without_ infinities would be totally foreign to us; so much so we
 MB> would not recognize _anything_ existent in it - in fact - we wouldn't
 MB> likely be able to consciously exist ourselves within the boundries of
 MB> such a thing - should it have any - that is... 
 ME> So are you saying that the infinite has some sort of real effect on
 ME> you?  If so, like what?
 Hello Matt,
 
  In this universe, every single one of its myriad attributes are not
  separate attributes - but intermingled and interdependent attributes.
  Our existence - our appearance - in this universe is ALSO an attribute 
  of this universe.  If any one attribute of this universe were other 
  than what that attribute is, now, _our_ existence would also be 
  impossible.   Why?  Because we EXIST in THIS universe, and NOT in one
  with different attributes.  
  
  If we did not have infinities to play around with, if we knew what the
  largest possible number was, and knew that we just quit adding when we 
  got to it - then suddenly it is impossible that WE EXIST.  Because
  our existence is not bound by a largest possible number, then if there
  is such an existence which is bound by a largest possible number - we
  aren't there, we are HERE instead, where infinity is real.  
  
  Because of this "logistic", we cannot exist elsewhere where boundaries
  in mathematics are _real_, because we exist here where there is no
  boundary, nor maximum divisibility.  Since we do not exist there, then
  it is also necessary to point out that it is impossible that we could
  exist there - because if we did exist there - we wouldn't be us, we 
  would be something else which isn't us, perhaps, but we wouldn't be
  "us", we would be "them" instead who live in a different universe.
  
  And "they" - should they exist, still do not exist, because they are
  not "here" where we are.  And we can't understand them, nor "they"
  "us".  Here is the rule: 1) for any object or function that is not of
  this universe, it therefore is non-existent.  2) if it should exist,
  then it is of this universe and does exist.  Therefore, if we lived
  in a different universe with no infinities, then it is impossible
  that we should exist.  Hypothetically, everything in that non-infinite
  universe would abide by the effects of the finite - light would
  only travel thus-far and stop, gravity would have absolutely no
  effect whatsoever after a finite distance, and I don't even want
  to try to imagine what a quark would do in a finite universe.   Yes
  indeed - "infinity" has a important influence on me.
  
  
  
  
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