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echo: philos
to: MARK BLOSS
from: WILLIAM ELLIOT
date: 1998-02-27 08:05:00
subject: `Existence Exists`

 >>> Mark Bloss on "Existence Exists" 
 MB> Well, the attributes of extremely omniscient beings are also hard to
 MB> keep  track of.  Usually they end up being regarded as approximately
 MB> 10^100  attributes of something or anything that could ever exist in
 MB> the universe. 
An omniscient being is just a know it all.  That's the only thing it can do.  
Are sure you don't mean omnipotent beings that can do unimaginably numerous 
things?
 MB> Not only that but if you added a million more attributes
 MB> to a deity, the  number will remain the same, approximately the
 MB> hugest, biggest,  extraordinarily largest possible number which is of
 MB> any use, that there is: 10^100.  
Naw, I have use of 100^100 which is a hundred magnitudes larger.
So there, my number is bigger than yours. -)
 MB> Most attributes of omniscient beings have never been used, named,
 MB> notated, discussed or even individually imagined.  That is most of
 MB> them have never been imagined, are beyond imagination.  
There's a proof that there are no uninteresting integers.  Can you prove that 
there are no boring attributes of an omnipotent being?  Surely the ability to 
be boring is one.  As for being unimaginable, it think that the same proof 
for proving all integers interesting can be use to prove they are all 
imaginable.  So it appears that there is a difference between integers and 
deities.
Theologians
 MB> who are also mathema- ticians, and especially those on television,
 MB> imagine that they can  imagine the whole infinite bunch of omniscient
 MB> being's attributes.  On the other hand, most people are content with
 MB> the few that they know. 
Convince me that there are at least 10^10.
 MB> So, in conclusion, beyond the obvious point that there is effectually
 MB> the same number of atoms in the universe as there are attributes of
 MB> God, one can demonstrate, and prove mathematically, that we don't know
 MB> very much about mathematics, or gods, anyway; and 
Ever hear of Dirack's law of very large numbers.  To wit, any two very large 
numbers that are merely several orders of magnitude different are actually 
the same number.  
10^100 is a very
 MB> very, extremely huge, enormously large, bigger than can be imagined,
 MB> symbol for something really really big.
It's a googol.  A googolplex is very much much larger.  Look in a dictionary 
to find out how much larger.  What to bet any number that you can imagine, I 
can conjure a larger.  I raise you a googolplex. -)
 MB> ... Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
... H2O hydrogen oxide, HOH hydrogen hydroxyl, or OH2 oxygen hydrate?
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