From: "Robert Comer" 

I don't think blaming the NYT for the leak is proper -- someone with the
clearance gave it to them.

--
Bob Comer



"Mark"  wrote in message
news:45175fdd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Okay, but now that the NYTs has leaked partial information, Bush will have
> to prematurely declassify the rest of the report to fend off the partisan
> attacks prompted by that leak, but when he does same, thus allowing us all
> access to the information, the screaming will start that he's unfairly
> doing so only to discredit the "truth" that the NYTs
previously reported.
>
> IOW, a continuous political circle-jerk that does nothing but further
> endanger us in the real world.
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:4517586c{at}w3.nls.net...
>> The problem ( not specific to only the Bush administration ) is that
>> everything in government is overclassified.  While partisan bickering is
>> still expected it would be nice to see it based on published data and not
>> conjecture
>>
>> http://www.bespacific.com/mt/archives/cat_government_documents.html
>>
>> Senators Ask for Review of Classified Information, Say Documents Were
>> Overclassified
>> Press release: Wyden, Bond, Senators Ask for Review of Classified
>> Information in Senate Intelligence Report, Say Documents Were
>> Overclassified - Request Marks First Time New Board Asked to Review
>> Classification, September 19, 2006: "A bipartisan group of Senators who
>> serve on the Senate Intelligence Committee...asked an independent board
>> that oversees classification of information to review the documents to
>> determine if in fact too much was kept secret in the recently released
>> Senate Intelligence reports. in a letter to the head of the Public
>> Interest Declassification Board, the Senators wrote, "The Senate Select
>> Committee on Intelligence, on which we serve, recently released two
>> reports addressing prewar intelligence issues regarding Iraq. We believe
>> that portions of these two reports remain unnecessarily classified. We
>> ask that the Board Review these two documents and evaluate whether any of
>> the currently classified portions could be made public without negatively
>> impacting national security."
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>> news:45174e1c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> This sentiment from the counterterrorism blog seems to mirror my point
>>> and yours Rich, because I believe both you and I want the truth rather
>>> than a bunch of BS:
>>>
>>>
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/09/911_commission_members_should.php
>>> "SO FOR GOD'S SAKE, let's not turn this NIE into another partisan
>>> political battle over intelligence. The American people deserve to know,
>>> to the maximum extent possible, the actual findings and conclusions in
>>> this NIE and not depend on partial reports and leaks, which could be
>>> driven by all sorts of hidden agendas."
>>>
>>> I'm not so sure I want a resurrection of the 9/11 commission, that he
>>> calls for in his piece though, to investigate. >> is, as I don't think I can stand to see their posturing all
over again>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:45174a74$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Everyone has an agenda whether it be in journalism, government,
>>>> religion or 
>>>>
>>>> I'll agree that the NIE's recent record hasn't been top notch
>>>>
>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1880275,00.html
>>>> Its record, however, has been patchy. A NIE report issued in 2002
>>>> concluded that Iraq had "continued its weapons of
mass destruction
>>>> programmes", had biological and chemical weapons and
"probably will
>>>> have a nuclear weapon during this decade". A July
2004 NIE report
>>>> concluded that the possible outcomes in Iraq ranged from a
government
>>>> with tenuous control to civil war..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:4517473a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> The NYTs has reported the equivalent of:
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Smith," on a hunting trip, wielded an
axe and chopped off the
>>>>> leg of a rival hunter. Making "John Smith" a villain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the rest of the story, not worthy of
publication when you're
>>>>> doing agenda driven "journalism" is that
they'd been rival hunters for
>>>>> 30 years, were good friends that graduated high school
together, and
>>>>> that a grizzly bear was chomping down on the rival
hunter's knee, thus
>>>>> the "be-legging" saved same rivals life.
>>>> not a villain>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:4517452d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> GMAB it's a 30 page report titled "Trends in
Global Terrorism:
>>>>>> Implications for the United States," and the
CONCLUSION has been
>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45173e71{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> Nope, not at all Rich. You should know by now
that the NYTs is
>>>>>>> extremely biased and that the full report will
be considerably more
>>>>>>> complex than what they chose to publish from
their leakers in the
>>>>>>> government. It's about time the leakers were
rounded up and
>>>>>>> prosecuted along with the NYTs. This shit is
both dangerous and very
>>>>>>> old. >>>>>> holding my breath>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:45173c98$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>> Ah - so we should ignore the assessment as
the report is still
>>>>>>>> classified? Of course since it represents
a CONSENSUS  perspective
>>>>>>>> of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies it's
sort of difficult for the
>>>>>>>> Bushies to ignore  < they're trying
real hard though >
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mark"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:45173a22{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>> The NYTs leaks yet another selective
portion of a still classified
>>>>>>>>> report and the usual suspects get
their panties all in a bunch
>>>>>>>>> over it. When will you guys stop
letting "Pinch" jerk your chains
>>>>>>>>> and play you for fools?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Phil Payne"
 wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message news:45159f73{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/middleeast/24terror.html?ei=
5094&en=003f596f66422cfd&hp=&ex=1159070400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 - A stark
assessment of terrorism trends by
>>>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>>>> intelligence agencies has found
that the American invasion and
>>>>>>>>>> occupation of
>>>>>>>>>> Iraq has helped spawn a new
generation of Islamic radicalism and
>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>> overall terrorist threat has grown
since the Sept. 11 attacks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>  Phil Payne
>>>>>>>>>>  http://www.isham-research.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>  +44 7833 654 800
>>>>>>>>>>
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