From: "Phil Payne" 

"Robert Comer"  wrote in message
news:4506968a{at}w3.nls.net...
> > Uh huh.  Describe Orion.
>
> 4 men in a shiny new can. 
>
> I believe the cargo version will be quite a bit bigger than the Russian
> counterpart though...

The Russians have a heavy lift capability, too - but they never made the
mistake of combining it with a manned programme.

And Soyuz is not entirely throw-away.  A lot is stripped out and flies again.

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