From: "Mark" 

Okay, but now that the NYTs has leaked partial information, Bush will have
to prematurely declassify the rest of the report to fend off the partisan
attacks prompted by that leak, but when he does same, thus allowing us all
access to the information, the screaming will start that he's unfairly
doing so only to discredit the "truth" that the NYTs previously
reported.

IOW, a continuous political circle-jerk that does nothing but further
endanger us in the real world.

"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> The problem ( not specific to only the Bush administration ) is that
> everything in government is overclassified.  While partisan bickering is
> still expected it would be nice to see it based on published data and not
> conjecture
>
> http://www.bespacific.com/mt/archives/cat_government_documents.html
>
> Senators Ask for Review of Classified Information, Say Documents Were
> Overclassified
> Press release: Wyden, Bond, Senators Ask for Review of Classified
> Information in Senate Intelligence Report, Say Documents Were
> Overclassified - Request Marks First Time New Board Asked to Review
> Classification, September 19, 2006: "A bipartisan group of Senators who
> serve on the Senate Intelligence Committee...asked an independent board
> that oversees classification of information to review the documents to
> determine if in fact too much was kept secret in the recently released
> Senate Intelligence reports. in a letter to the head of the Public
> Interest Declassification Board, the Senators wrote, "The Senate Select
> Committee on Intelligence, on which we serve, recently released two
> reports addressing prewar intelligence issues regarding Iraq. We believe
> that portions of these two reports remain unnecessarily classified. We ask
> that the Board Review these two documents and evaluate whether any of the
> currently classified portions could be made public without negatively
> impacting national security."
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>> This sentiment from the counterterrorism blog seems to mirror my point
>> and yours Rich, because I believe both you and I want the truth rather
>> than a bunch of BS:
>>
>> http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/09/911_commission_members_should.php
>> "SO FOR GOD'S SAKE, let's not turn this NIE into another partisan
>> political battle over intelligence. The American people deserve to know,
>> to the maximum extent possible, the actual findings and conclusions in
>> this NIE and not depend on partial reports and leaks, which could be
>> driven by all sorts of hidden agendas."
>>
>> I'm not so sure I want a resurrection of the 9/11 commission, that he
>> calls for in his piece though, to investigate. > is, as I don't think I can stand to see their posturing all over again>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:45174a74$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Everyone has an agenda whether it be in journalism, government, religion
>>> or 
>>>
>>> I'll agree that the NIE's recent record hasn't been top notch
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1880275,00.html
>>> Its record, however, has been patchy. A NIE report issued in 2002
>>> concluded that Iraq had "continued its weapons of mass destruction
>>> programmes", had biological and chemical weapons and
"probably will have
>>> a nuclear weapon during this decade". A July 2004 NIE
report concluded
>>> that the possible outcomes in Iraq ranged from a government with tenuous
>>> control to civil war..
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>> news:4517473a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> The NYTs has reported the equivalent of:
>>>>
>>>> "John Smith," on a hunting trip, wielded an axe
and chopped off the leg
>>>> of a rival hunter. Making "John Smith" a villain.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the rest of the story, not worthy of publication
when you're
>>>> doing agenda driven "journalism" is that they'd
been rival hunters for
>>>> 30 years, were good friends that graduated high school together, and
>>>> that a grizzly bear was chomping down on the rival
hunter's knee, thus
>>>> the "be-legging" saved same rivals life.
>>> not a villain>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:4517452d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> GMAB it's a 30 page report titled "Trends in
Global Terrorism:
>>>>> Implications for the United States," and the
CONCLUSION has been
>>>>> reported
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:45173e71{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> Nope, not at all Rich. You should know by now that
the NYTs is
>>>>>> extremely biased and that the full report will be
considerably more
>>>>>> complex than what they chose to publish from their
leakers in the
>>>>>> government. It's about time the leakers were rounded up and
>>>>>> prosecuted along with the NYTs. This shit is both
dangerous and very
>>>>>> old. >>>>> holding my breath>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45173c98$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> Ah - so we should ignore the assessment as the
report is still
>>>>>>> classified? Of course since it represents a
CONSENSUS  perspective
>>>>>>> of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies it's sort
of difficult for the
>>>>>>> Bushies to ignore  < they're trying real
hard though >
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mark" 
wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:45173a22{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>> The NYTs leaks yet another selective
portion of a still classified
>>>>>>>> report and the usual suspects get their
panties all in a bunch over
>>>>>>>> it. When will you guys stop letting
"Pinch" jerk your chains and
>>>>>>>> play you for fools?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Phil Payne"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:45159f73{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/middleeast/24terror.html?ei=5
094&en=003f596f66422cfd&hp=&ex=1159070400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 - A stark
assessment of terrorism trends by
>>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>>> intelligence agencies has found that
the American invasion and
>>>>>>>>> occupation of
>>>>>>>>> Iraq has helped spawn a new generation
of Islamic radicalism and
>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>> overall terrorist threat has grown
since the Sept. 11 attacks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>  Phil Payne
>>>>>>>>>  http://www.isham-research.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>  +44 7833 654 800
>>>>>>>>>
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