-=> Quoting Rod Speed to Sean Bennetts <=-

 
     Hi Rod,

     Hope you didn't thing I would go away that easily. You might miss
     making a fool of yourself.

 SB> Thats true, I've heard that too, however, your so called
 SB> wonder *Science* hasn't been able to prove that either :)

 RS> Fraid it has Gordon, most obviously with the bizarre
 RS> range of symptoms you can get with depression.
 
     Sorry Herman, but that isn't Science is it now, its simply
     making obervations and any idiot could do that, even you could
     do it :)
             
 SB> and as for Humans, why would I bother? there are enough
 SB> healers out there already, both Medical and alternative,

 RS> Sure, there are certainly lots of 'alternative' wankers.
 
    Yep thats true, there are a few Alternative Healers out there, the
    only problem is that there are even more Medical wankers out 
    there, and MOST can't even do there jobs properly, but we all know
    the old saying about Doctors don't we, they BURY THERE MISTAKES :)

 SB> and pets are much more open minded than humans can be :)

 RS> The do tend to bite more often than humans tho.
 
     I don't know, between the 2 of us, I would say we have done 
     pretty well, and the only thing an animal will bite is an idiot that
     deserves it.  I think most of us are still waiting with you though
     Rod. :D

 SB> 1stly, I never claimed to be making a brilliant contribution,

 RS> Funny, could have SWORN some complete loon had some 'theory' on
 RS> mad cow disease. Pity for you thats the VERY graphic evidence
 RS> that you are completely and utterly out of your tree.
 
     Thats alright Rod, I could have sworn that some simple minded, self
     centered, arogant, S**t said that he new everything about everything,
     and Unlike you Rod, I evolved out of trees quite a few centuries back,
     However we still seem to be waiting for you to catch up, would you
     like us to slow down our evolutionary pace a couple more centuries
     so you can catch up :)

 RS> Soorree, I will take decent rigorous science over that
 RS> crap any day. THAT works, not your witchdoctor stuff
 
 SB> Yes I agree, *SOME* of it works, the
 SB> same as *SOME* of what I do works as well,

 RS> Nope, you cant demonstrate with those funky randomised double blind
 RS> trials that your crap works. Soorree, into the bin it goes when you
 RS> cant. 
 
     Rod, Rod, Rod, I gathered that you where simple, but I hadn't 
     realised how badly until now, Randomised double blind trials don't
     prove anything, not even for modern medicine.
 
 RS> Well, most of the time anyway, better not try it
 RS> with cancer in humans, we have made that illegal now.
 
 SB> Yes, unfortunatly that is true, but it hasn't stopped the
 SB> alternative therapist's from continuing to do it has it? :-)

 RS> Fine, jail terms for them.
 
     Then lets jail all of your SO CALLED Scientists and stop their funding
     once and for all as well shall we while we are at it, after all your
     so called great scientist have had cures for BOTH Cancer AND aids for
     quite some time, but they can't release them on the world, the 
     Pharmasutical companies would go out of business wouldn't they, and
     the Scientists would have to get new jobs, OH S**T, can't have that, 
     better to let people die, S**T Rod, grow up and stop living in your
     back yard. :D
 
 SB> Thats true, I do prefer that they pay me,
 SB> but I have to live some how to don't I?

 RS> Dunno, the world would be a rather better place if
 RS> you spivs and con men and snake oil salesmen didnt.
 
     and the world would be even better if people stopped living in shells 
     like you do and started to force our corrupt governments to relay
     all the information that it gets and everything it does instead of
     doing it all behind our backs.  Not to metion people like you that
     are so closed minded that you probably believe that God will destroy
     the earth still in the year 2000 AD, GORW UP. You wouldn't happen
     to be 5 years old would you ?  :D :D

 SB> But It doesn't always have to be in Money, but I'll
 SB> bet that every pay cheque you get is money isn't it ?  :-D

 RS> I dont produce an income by engaging in fraud Gordon. You do.
 
     I doubt that you produce an income at all, and from some of the other
     messages I have read so far, you probably are on the dole and just 
     enjoy abusing other people that are.  Your no better than somebody that 
     is a dole blugger. :D
 
 SB> Thats fair enough, after all as I said, your entiled to your opinion,
 SB> but what kind of fraud do you think I should be charged with?

 RS> Making claims that your 'treatments' etc work when they dont.
 RS> We can use those funky randomised double blind trials to prove that.

     No you can't, because by using those trials, it has been proved that
     they do work, start reading Rod and broaden your mind, then again, 
     maybe you shouldn't, it might get a shock and colapse on you. :)

 RS> You claim that say you have some way to prevent rabbits from
 RS> dying of rabbit calici virus, and if you do not, thats fraud.
 
     Fair enough, But I haven't said that I have some way to prevent rabbits
     from dying from the calici virus, and your SO CALLED wonderful Scientists
     stuffed up on that one majorly didn't they, they should be sued for
     misconduct for what they have done, boy, what a bunch of idiots, 
     they couldn't even keep a simple experiment under control. HAHAHAHA :D

 SB> I actually like to think of it as having moved up
 SB> to Pets, because they don't lie or abuse you :-D

 RS> Some of the more intelligent ones bite clowns like you tho.
 
     And most of the Smart ones would bite arrogant, simple minded loons
     like you, the problem is that they would suffert after it.

 RS> It has. Corse no one would be silly enough to claim we have a
 RS> cure for everything, either with humans or animals. We do however
 
     You have said on numerous occasions that you have a cure for everything,
     whats it going to be Rod, do you or don't you? 
 
 RS> have some very powerful technique for working out if something
 RS> works or not. We call one of those randomised double blind trials.
 
     More of this crap, please, give us something we can actually believe 
     in will you.

 SB> F**KING WHAT?! Perhaps you ought to get *some* of your
 SB> facts straight you gibbering imbecile!  There are people
 SB> STILL dying of smallpox throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe!

 RS> Poor old Gordon, what a pathetic moron. Smallpox has been completely
 RS> and utterly eliminated from the wild. And if you cant even grasp the
 RS> VERY basic stuff like that, whatever you might have to say on anything
 RS> else to do with human or animal health isnt worth a damned thing.
 
     What aload of crap Herman, try at least looking aroung the world, if
     it has been completely eliminated from the world, then why do people
     still have to get vaccinations for it when they go to some of the
     other countries in the world, if you ever managed to get your head
     out of the clouds and climb down off the pedestal you seem to have
     put yourself on you might make some sense, instead of sprouting 
     complete shit.  WAKE UP AND READ A LITTLE. YOU MAY BROADEN what
     little knowledge you have in that tiny head of yours.


 SB> Polio continues to mutate, and still deforms children in Africa
 RS> especially.

 RS> And has been virtually eliminated from the americas now. Yes, it
 RS> does mutate at a higher rate than smallpox, but since we have now
 RS> eliminated it from some areas, it may well be feasible to do that
 RS> with africa and Asia where its still a considerable problem.

     Crap Rod, there are still people getting it, and those that have 
     Polio are now able to get it again, next load of Crap please, I 
     am enjoying myself watch you dig bigger and bigger holes for yourself.


 RS> I've binned your mindless rabid ravings. Just keep taking the
 RS> medication. 
 RS> Soorree, not interested in your 'natural forms of healing', they dont
 RS> work.
 
 SB> That's *your* opinion.

 RS> Nope, we have invented a funky technique called randomised double
 RS> blind trials which can be used to show what works and what doesnt.
 
     Ok, you seem to have used this alot, so again, when are you going to 
     give me something that actually has good results.

 SB> I *know* that China has been using "natural
 SB> forms of healing" since about 3000BC.

 RS> Whoopy do. Some loons called the Incas claimed that the sun was a
 RS> god and that we had to keep sacrificing humans to ensure that it kept
 RS> coming up every day. No one actually bothered to apply any test of
 RS> that claim and just before the Spanish put a stop to that utterly
 RS> unspeakable behaviour they were consuming vast numbers of people every
 RS> year. Once the Spanish put a stop to it, the sun kept coming up and we
 
     Yes, and in the proccess they slaughtered millions of inoccent people 
     so that they could steal all of there gold, and turn the poor natives 
     into Christians, what a load of shit, how about you TRY to answer the
     question Rod instead of trying to beat the cock out of the roost.

 SB> They have been getting better results than modern medicine,

 RS> Pigs arse they have. You might care to explain how, if chinese
 RS> medicine was so effective, why they were dying like flys from
 RS> infectious disease until vaccination was introduced, with
 RS> smallpox for example. Nice theory, pity about the reality tho.

     Because the europians in their ultimate wisdom took the disease there
     with them, the same as we bloody whites have killed millions over the
     centuries because none of pathetic Scientists had been able to figure
     out that if we go there and they don't have the disease then they will
     get it, WAKE UP AGAIN ROD, AND TRY READING SOME HISTORY, or is that
     too much for you to cope with aswell :D :D

 RS> Try naming a SINGLE 'treatment' of animal origin in
 RS> traditional chinese medicine that actually works. Have fun.
 
     all of them do, why because they work on Humans, but even the Chinese
     don't claim to be able to cure everything, unlike modern medicine.

 SB> If you'd like to continue this friendly discussion,
 SB> then please take it to E-Mail.  
 SB> I really don't think this is the area to discuss this in.

 RS> True, thats not convenient for me tho, how about BBS_USER.

     Sorry Rod, but thats not convenient for me, how about FIDONET MAIL?


... Opened your mouth and put your foot in it again didn't we Rod

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