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to: CHARLES MURRAY
from: SONDRA BALL
date: 1997-12-16 11:30:00
subject: who was the 1st ?

CM>      1st question! Why is everything alwways racist when not in tota
CM>      agreememt ? 2nd question Where did "Native American's come from
It is racist dribble when almost all the quotes come from known (and in 
most cases self proclaimed) white racists, and not from anthropologists 
and archaeologists, and when those same white racists obviously lack the 
education, experience, and knowledge to come to a reasonablly valid 
conclusion about the information they are misquoting, 
misinterpreting,and misrepresenting to make it jive with their white 
racist viewpoints.
CM>       When I posted this I assumed someone would call me a racist .
CM>      Never the less let's make one thing clear here, that being My p
CM>      the Cherokee are a raceless people, they are mixed with many bl
CM>      lines even black as you may well know ! It may well just be tha
CM>      "caucasians" where in the America's frist and mixed with others
CM>      came later as there breed died off . That is Mormon teaching ..
1)  The Cherokee are not a raceless people. They are Indians.  Many 
folks, however, who belong to Cherokee groups that are not recognized by 
either state or federal governments (and some that are recognized by 
state, but not federal governments ) are not Indians, and, in reality, 
not Cherokee either.  They are whites whose latest claim to cherokeeism 
is a mythological white great great great grandmother whose birth 
ceritficate and journal were burned in a fire seventy five years ago.
2)  I know the Mormons teaching about Indians quite well, including the 
fact that their skin was turned dark as punishment for their sins.  
However, they don't have the pre-Indian Jews coming over here 9,000 
years ago.  They have it happening about 3,000 years ago.  After all, 
the world was only created about 6,000 years ago.
CM>       Caucasians are not all  "WHITE"  as all negros are not  "Black
There are no such things as white, red, or black races.  Those are just 
common terms used by common people.  Anthropologists refer to the 
Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongolgian racial groups, subdivided into many 
races, characterized by differences in skin coloring, bone density, 
shape of head and body, presence and absence of body hair, etc.
For example, Caucasians are much closer in appearance to apes, in many 
ways, than either Negroid or Mongolian people, for they have a lot more 
body and facial hair than the other two groups. similar to the apes; and 
their leg/torso body ratio is closer to the ape than the other two 
groups.  Of course I'm not saying here that they are actually closer to 
the apes than the other two racial groups.  I don't happen to believe 
that.
CM>      Many scholars believe Egyptions were in South America long befo
And many scholars disagree with this.  It depends on who you read, and 
what axe they have to grind.
CM>      the "European" settlers came to north America. Leif Eriksson al
CM>      was reported to have came to north American between 970 -1027 A
CM>      my information comes from the...  Academic American Encyclopedi
And the Irish were here in the 700s, both according to their own 
mythology, and accroding to some archaeological ruins. And it looks like 
the American Indians were, by that point, already trading by sea going 
vessels, with Japan.  Probably folks have traveled from one continent to 
another from the beginning of human time, a possibility certainly 
reinforced by the finding of the caucasian skeleton here, and other 
similar skeletons in other parts of the world, including the discovery 
in the middle east of a ruins that proves that neanderthal man and 
current humans not only lived at the same time in history, but lived in 
the same towns together, from all appearances peacefully.  The past 
was never as simple as some people would like to make it.
              Sondra
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