Hello Alan,

On Monday March 02 2020 16:47, you wrote to me:

 MV>> o In a PC against a RIN, there is one level of appeal less than
 MV>> in a PC against an member of a local network. This makes RINs
 MV>> unequal to members of a local network.

 AI> This is a shortcoming of P4. If we can ever get back to policy perhaps
 AI> we can address some of these weaknesses so all nodes will in fact be
 AI> equal.

Apart from the fact that it seems to be ompossible to change P4, I do not see
this as a shortcoming of P4, it is a consequence of the hierrachy. I fail to
see what changes in P4 would remedie this.

On the contrary, P4 covers it. The unequality is a result of coordinators
FAILING to properly follow P4. Look at this:

=== quote ===

5  Regional Coordinator Procedures

5.1  Responsibilities

A Regional Coordinator has the following responsibilities:

   1) To assign node numbers to independent nodes in the region.

   2) To encourage independent nodes in the region to join existing net-
   works, or to form new networks.

   3) To assign network numbers to networks in the region and define their
   boundaries.

=== end quote ===

And also:

=== quote ===

5.3  Encouraging the Formation and Growth of Networks

One of your main duties as a Regional Coordinator is to promote the growth of
networks in your region.

You should avoid having independent nodes in your region which are within the
coverage area of a network.  There are, however, certain cases where a node
should not be a member of a network, such as a system with a large amount of
inbound netmail; see section 4.2.

If several independent nodes in your region are in a local area you should
encourage them to form a network, and if necessary you may require them to
form a network.  Refer to section 2.4.  Note that this is not intended to

=== end quote ===

So... RCs that still have RINs in their region have failed in their duty to
encourage them to join local networks. They have failed in their duty to
redefine the bouderies of existing networks so that they meet the present
condition of "areas of convenient calling".

P4 offers all the tools to get rid of the unequality by getting rid of he RINs
and accomodate them in local networks. The coordinators just fail to use those
tools.


Cheers, Michiel

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