FM> ... to be HIGHLY PUNITIVE in the VENGEFUL sense.
 DB> You assume that execution is punitive; I regard it as a humane way to
 DB> end a life destined for decades of misery in a cell.  If we had the
 DB> resources to administer stupifying drugs to prisoners rather than
 DB> executing them, I would consider that as well.
 MB> Certainly viable; but why keep them alive at all?  To do so means
 MB> administering nutrients, probably intraveneously, for years; which would
 MB> be rather expensive.  Logically, to make good use of the penal system,
 MB> one would weed out those who continually cause death for others  and
 MB> eliminate them; whether they cause deaths of innocents through direct,
 MB> or indirect means such as through the means of cocaine, heroin,
 MB> methamphetamines, etc, so that these matters would have closer.
 MB> Execution is not a punishment, but rather a form of self-control for
 MB> society as a whole.  It generally is supposed to eliminate the parts of
 MB> itself which cause pain and suffering, so that pain and suffering
 MB> disappear from the body of society.  It is illogical and inhumane to
 MB> keep killers alive, because it is expensive, for one, to keep killers
 MB> alive.
 MB> On the other hand, keeping them alive means making space for them,
 MB> keeping  them warm in the winter, cool in the summer, feeding them food
 MB> which could go, at least vicariously, to a starving child somewhere, and
 MB> hiring  workers to watch them and see to their basic needs.  It also
 MB> allows the  probability of parole, in which these persons are allowed to
 MB> integrate  themselves once again into an unsuspecting society, wreaking
 MB> havoc once again.  Personally, I don't see that it is worth the risk.
 MB> We free-people like a life without worrying about getting killed by a
 MB> murderer.  It's simple piece of mind, and plain old good economy, to
 MB> execute murderers.  The simple adage applies: those who steal a life,
 MB> should of a kind forfeit their own life as repayment.
 MB> By attempting so arduously to save the life of a murderer, those who do
 MB> so take no thought that they are actually _harming_ society.  They are
 MB> effectually placing a higher value upon the life of a killer, than  on
 MB> the life that was stolen.  This message puts us all on uncertain
 MB> footing, and makes society a much more dangerous place.  It spells out
 MB> the ominous sentence: "The Criminal's Life is Valued Above the Life of
 MB> Victims and Their Families."  One or many lives were STOLEN. ONE life
 MB> of a murderer must be SAVED?  Show me the logic of that. Which life has
 MB> more value: The one stolen, or the one forfeited?  How can we decide
 MB> that  one life is worth saving when we show NO regard for the value of
 MB> the life  that was STOLEN?  By NOT executing murderers, we send a
 MB> message that the  victim was not worth saving in the first place, but
 MB> the criminal: we will do all that we can to save him because his life is
 MB> valuable. That  is flawed.  No, the murderer has lost their right to
 MB> live; they have forfeited it.  This is logical, and it is right.
   I watched the lives of Manson and his crew on the biography channel last
night.  It seems that the women have had some years to think about the horror
of their crime and the reflection must be some punishment for them.  Manson 
s
and was clearly insane in any meaning of that word I THINK you and I would
give to it regardless of the degree of his intelligence.  I keep coming back
to the matter of justice.  One of the women said that she plunged the knife
into one of the victims sixteen times.  Should that have been done to her in
order to bring about some equalization?  Manson, apparently killed nobody.
Following his military service in WW I I doubt that Hitler did much if any
personal killing.  Nobody really knows what he REALLY reflects upon all these
years.  I surely don't think he should ever be released except into a 
ospital
in old age perhaps and in a strict isolation ward.  The others have provided,
I suppose excellent sociological studies that might prove valuable.  
   I don't think the question of justice can be so lightly dismissed as
unimportant.
Sincerely, 
                                     Frank
                                                                              
                                                       
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