JK> substances are what you term "suicidal". They are not mentally ill, they
 JK> are physically sick which has in turn affected their minds.
VF>Are you now saying that all suicidal people have to be under the influence 
VF> of mind-altering substances? Most of the suicidal [...] are depressed.
 JK> Which is why some of them use mind-altering substances, and "why" 
Some, but not all. Even those that are using mind-altering substances have 
obviously failed to cope with some nature of human existence with normal, 
non-destructive methods - and it could be argued that they are thus mentally 
ill to begin with.  Certainly, if they are unable to control the use of those 
substances without presenting a danger to themselves, they aren't competent 
decision makers, are they?
 JK> doctors prescribe them.  Just what do you classify Prozac or Valium
 JK> as, incidently, if they are not mind-altering substances?
From what little knowledge I have of such things, Valium is not a 
psychoactive chemical.
VF>And if they aren't?
 JK> Then figure out what else is wrong with their body chemistry and attempt
 JK> to intervene in the process going on inside the brain that leads them to
And what happens if they aren't abnormal in terms of body chemistry? People 
who are depressed are often quite normal in terms of brain chemistry - other 
than a few things indicating lack of endorphins and so on....
re: your previous adhominem attack:
JK> This is just a statement of fact. [Comment about hard chairs removed]
No. A statement of fact usually has factical content, not a statement of 
opinion with a veiled ad hominem. You think I know nothing. You're welcome to 
that opinion. I, however, feel you're wrong. 
Now, if you want to provide me some evidence which gets to the original 
point, I'll be welcome to entertain it. And get to the basic core, too: don't 
dance in the periphery dealing with people who have chemical imbalances, and 
the like. We're talking normal humans who kill themselves - or want to.
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